So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    The left hook is not Pac's kryptonite
     
  2. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :rofl :rofl @ the poll results...

    unbelieveable :verysad.
     
  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Pac has been KO by the left hook, nearly KD by the left hook from JMM, KD with a left by Hussein and hurt bad to the body by the left hook by JMM.
     
  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't pay attention to polls, I pay attention to arguments and debates. Anyone can click a button, and I know that there's a bunch of fan boys and kids who just got into boxing who post on ESB.
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Remaining opponents for Pac:

    Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
    Oscar Larios
    David Diaz


    Bear in mind these factors:
    - I thought DLH lost the first Mosley fight and won the second Mosley fight.
    - I thought DLH beat Trinidad convincingly
    - I thought DLH drew with Quartey
    - I thought DLH lost to Whitaker by a point
    - I thought DLH held his own against Floyd. I had DLH by a point the first time I scored it and though that was generous to DLH, on subsequent viewings I still think you can make a case for DLH (have to give him the benefit of a lot of doubts though)

    - I thought Pac won the first Marquez fight and drew in the second
    - I thought Pac lost the first Morales fight narrowly


    CONCLUSION

    Pac has a way to go to surpass DLH imo and is being massively, massively overrated of late. DLH for the most part has faced stiffer competition and whilst his record doesn't look as good, the truth is that in all but three fights (Mosley I, Hopkins & Pac) he pretty much did no worse than hold his own. I think it's a little early to start rating Pac and we should hold back our judgement for a while yet and see where he goes from here.

    Pac gets points for his weight jumping but when you cut below the surface and look at the bigger guys he has faced, they have not been that stiff an opposition (DLH was finito, Hatton had seen better days and was hyped beyond his measure anyway and Diaz is well, David Diaz).


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  6. PH|LLA

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    I will waste my time answering you, although I know you will once again come back and argue against something that is extremely obvious with more bull****.

    Pacquiao was never knocked out by a left hook. He was knocked out by a left from the southpaw stance the first time, and a straight right hte 2nd time. Hussein dropped Pacquiao with a left, but it was not a left hook. And Marquez, one of the greatest mexican fighters of all time, "almost knocked down" Pacquiao with a left hook once in 24 rounds.

    You keep arguing against things that are just obvious, twisting facts and sometimes outright lying and then claiming that your arguments show that you're right.
     
  7. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal

    Excellent post. I think Oscar lost on the cards to Quartey, but also that 8 refs out of 10 stop the fight during that fusillade in the 12th. I also feel that Oscar dropped a clear 7 - 5 to Floyd, but put up a very solid losing effort.
     
  9. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    when do fighters that lose all their defining fights become greater than the fighter that wins all their defining fights. to many people with an agenda to take them seriously.
     
  10. IsaL

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    When the fighter who lost all his defining fights, STILL has better wins over the fighter who won all his defining fights...Get it? :good
     
  11. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    This thread has caused a mass panic at "The Tambayan". :lol:
     
  12. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    over the hill chavez and sweatpee.

    barrera and morales and marquez were prime when he fought them.
     
  13. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    when it came down to it he failed against tito hopkins mosley 2 floyd and pac.

    pac a former flyweight champ beat him worse than ever. pac is the great here not oscar.
     
  14. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    No they weren't Pac fan lol...
     
  15. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Posters, read this, and tell me if this poster is either a kid, or a PAc ***** rider lol... Probably both lol...