What would happen if Wlad rematched Corrie Sanders?

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  1. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No disrespect to Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster but Wlad is much better than them and even in those losses he showed it. It is the same case with Lennox Lewis who also in exact manner lost to Olivier Mccall also in 2 rounds just like Wlad with Sanders and with Hasim Rahman also in 5 rounds just like Wlad with Brewster. Lennox showed it in the rematch with them just like Wlad in his rematch with Brewster that it was a fluke. Same would be with Sanders. We have to remember that this is boxing and really one punch can make a difference. Cliff couser badly knocked out Monte Barret early but there is no way he was going to repeat this fluke win.
     
  2. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i agree in that i would've favored wlad in a rematch, but i don't think you can compare the sanders win to mccall, rahman, and couser ones. sanders has the style and size to always trouble wlad and i don't think it was a matter of getting lucky which you can certainly argue (to varying degrees) was the case in the lewis fights with rahman and mccall and clearly the monte-couser fight. that said, i'd favor wlad because he'd be extra extra cautious and with such a style he'd likely outpoint sanders b/c he's the better boxer (though sanders would always be a live underdog)
     
  3. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad would beat him easily. He'd make it look like a sparring session.

    Both Klitschko brothers made a huge mistake with Sanders. They went right at him. Wlad had NO clue what to do with boxing a southpaw at the time, and Sanders was jabbing, so he decided, **** it, and tried to start some fireworks. He got hit with a BIG counter left hand(The kind that came close to putting his brother down) and tried to back off, but when Sanders chased him down, he threw a big right hand. Sanders got there first with a short left, then his head(That was a bad, bad butt. I doubt his cut was from a straight punch like those he was being bombed with.), and Wlad was down and hurt, bad.

    He could have gotten it together for the second round, most likely, but instead, he was flustered and stood with Sanders again. Got hit on the button, and put on his ass. It was over.

    Wlad would make none of those amateur mistakes twice.
     
  4. FibreOptic

    FibreOptic Active Member Full Member

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    Wlad fights a smart fight and TKOs him late.
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a rematch, Wlad wins. He'd be cautious, and slowly yet methodically beat Sanders down.
     
  6. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Wlad's problems in the first fight...

    1. Wlad didn't have the experience to deal with who/what Sanders was and how he was fighting.
    2. Wlad mostly head-hunts and Sanders had a brick of a chin, neither Wlad nor Vitali really exposed Sander's soft midsection.
    3. The fight as so short Wlad never had a the chance to adjust to what was going on, nor did the have the trainer that would have offered him the correct advice.

    Today's Wlad makes a sparing session of the fight.
     
  7. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    Sanders would have stopped Wlad again and ruined his career completely (Wlad wisely didn't raise the roof shouting for any rematch).

    If Corrie had been in better condition (and not training on six packs and donuts) he would have stopped prime Vitali in the 1st.

    Sanders is actually better than both Klitschkos. He is a far more natural puncher than both with greater handspeed, has a better chin than Wlad, and is not as ungainly and clumsy as Vitali. He is just consistently in horrible physical shape and because of that will always only be slightly superior to them.

    On the all-time list they should all be fairly close. An in-shape Sanders would have handled the same HORRIBLE comp the bros fought during their careers and done pretty well too.
     
  8. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One also has to remember that Vlad is so much more cautious now, the old Wlad that fogught Sanders was very agressive, the new Wlad is so cautious he sometimes is no longer that exciting to watch. So I tend to think that would get him to box and move and Sanders would not cope well with a good boxer. But if Sanders lands again clean it could be all over.
     
  9. boxingwizard

    boxingwizard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wladimir Klitschko would win the rematch by late TKO.
     
  10. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
  11. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was ahead against Brewster, but Sanders totally beat the brakes off him.
     
  12. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Vlad would knock Sanders out. Vlad tried to get a rematch for a very long time but Corrie refused.
     
  13. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't like where Wlad places that right hand of his against this particular opponent. It's down low and elbow out so he isn't going to deflect anything. He is open to that straight as an arrow left that Sanders throws. It's always going to be dangerous waters for Wlad against this guy. A tightrope act and it's hardly an easy nights work for Sanders defensively either and he's on a tightrope himself. Very nice stylistic match and one that is going to end in a ko within 6 or 7 rounds. In a 3 fight series, Sanders loses at least once.
     
  14. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    When Wladimir fought Corrie Sanders he had no idea how to deal with an onslaught like that. He was basically fighting without a great degree of improvisation in his arsenal. The improvisation I am referring to is primarily what to do when hurt. Trying to fight your way out of trouble against a 6'4" 235 lb. sharpshooter who can knock down a wall is not the way to go about things. Had Wladimir been able to employ the most rudimentary of amateur teaching, which is to hold onto the opponent when hurt, he may have been able to somehow weather the storm against Sanders who himself has been known to fade down the stretch. Instead, he had no answer for the left hands because he was in absolutely no position to stop them. It's bad enough to face a southpaw but to try and fend one off when you're hurt, that's a recipe for disaster.

    Universum and Sdunek had Wladimir fighting in a manner that was forceful given his abilities as a fighter but, at the same time, restricted in terms of dealing with situations in which there was a need to deal with a fighter who could interrupt his rhythm and put him on the defensive as Sanders was able to do. In other words, Wladimir was fighting comfortably within boundaries using his jab and his right hand but he was unprepared to be in trouble of any sort. One sportswriter likened it to a musician being able to play with an orchestra but finding himself out of place when in an informal jam session. He had always been in control of his fights so I suppose that something as basic as clinching was deemed inconsequential in training. When Emmanuel Steward took over the helm you could immediately see Wladimir employ a style in which the slightest bit of danger would be counteracted with tying up the opponent and despite what critics will have you say, Wladimir uses tactical holding, which is perfectly legal and the mark of a savvy fighter. The man that stepped into the ring against Corrie Sanders that night has grown considerably as a fighter and a large part of that is due to Emmanuel Steward who also turned around the career of another very good fighter who came off a devastating 2nd round KO, Lennox Lewis.
     
  15. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well I do agree with that. The problem is this particular opponent. If or when you go inside to hold him, you have to enter a danger perimeter and then stick your arms out to grab him. It's easy to do this against the looping right hand type guy and then kill time. Sanders is a different kettle of fish and he actually throws a nice right hook from time to time. That sharp hook or a straight left is still very dangerous to deal with when you're hurt or stumbling and this guy is sharpshooting and the hands are low trying to reach in and grab. Lots of times we see temple shots under that scenario from hooks and they are effective at keeping a guy hurt. It's not all that easy to tie up guys that are finishers and throw straight shots as opposed to the wide haymaker 1 and done types where this strategy is far more effective.