So Roy is suddenly willing to fight outside of the US??

rjj said it not me .. he was teh one that said he didn't wanna travel out side of the us .. not me ..

 

RJJ was a egotistical guy in his prime. Like most champions he thought the terms had to fit in his favor. Most fighters do not want to go outside of their country, unless they have to. Rjj didn't have to in his prime -- he was the draw, he was the man with the money and skills.

Try to be impartial and not say silly things. Since he is no longer at the top and is desperate to get even a little attention (also the money like he used to) he is willing to travel to different countries. Do you not see how different Roy is compared to how he was in his prime? He is now all humble and stuff -- the man desperately wants to get in the spotlight again. A desperate man will do anything.

 

impartial? .. you mean like cry when joe calzaghe show boats then laugh about it when jones jr does it

 

When Jones did that he did fighting the best available and champions. He didn't do it when he was fighting shot to death guys he avoided in their primes.

The showboating is part of their style, it's how they feel comfortable in the ring doing whether people appreciate it or not they don't care. It's part of their rhythm and sign they feel most comfortable in there.

Besides, Jones' showboating was far better.

 

Impartial -- an Objective perspective when it comes to judging a situation. In other words, try not to be so bias.

I don't care about the showboating. I have no idea why you even mentioned this. I am referring to your comment about Benn. It was false.

 

I wouldn't call Jones desperate. He's doing it because he wants to not because he needs to. You can't go far in the sport doing it for money and only that, this is a far too dangerous sport for anyone to go far doing it for money and only money.

Tyson collapsed and eventually KO'd/beaten badly when he was doing it for money and only money and that's Tyson, we all know what kind of a monster he was in the ring.

What made Ali great is his desire to fight because he loves to do it/enjoys it. If you do something as dangerous as boxing for money and only money with no serious desire you will get hurt and hurt permanently mentally and physically. That's what makes Calzaghe great too, he never did it for money and only money, he did it because he enjoyed to and when he got tired doing it and lost interest he retired immediately even though big money fights are still available.

 

I think it is a need in him that makes him do this. He has what happens to many fighters. They are stuck in the past and live in a illusion, as if they are the same. And they fight because they feel the need to prove they are the same. Look at how RJJ talks about himself, one would think he is in his prime with that talk.

I personally don't think he has been sincere with himself. A psychological attachment is what makes these guys fight on when they are clearly past their best and could potentially get really hurt. I am not bad talking him or anything. RJJ was my favorite fighter, but with that said he should've retired after Tarver 1, like he said after it, "Mike Tyson or I'm done."

 

oh you mean a 90 year old mike mccalum? and the former lightweight vinny paz? .. or even jeff lacy?

 

The difference here, Mike had the belt less than a year ago at SMW and Paz was a title holder of a legit belt.

Roy hadn't done anything of merit but beat up a old blown up Trinidad. Roy had down nothing since 03! How many years ago was that? You be the judge.

About showboating. Cal's probably wasn't the best, but I don't see anything wrong with it. It's karma. Someone clowned Roy when he was not at his best. He had it coming. It sucked seeing it, but he had it coming. And this is coming from one of his biggest fans.

Roy showboating against Paz, man he deserved it. Paz talked a lot of ****.

 

I don't know if your'e 90 years old, you certainly look like it but McCallum wasn't 90 years old. Let me tell you who.

James Toney(undefeated)
Bernard Hopkins
Virgil Hill
Antonio Tarver
Eric Harding(yeah, the same Harding coming off a win over Tarver)
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods
Felix Trinidad
Glen Kelly(undefeated)
Gonzalez(undefeated)
Griffin(undefeated coming off a win over Toney)
McCallum(was for the #1 spot to fight for the WBC title)

And many others.

If you're trying to hint that he's considered one of the greatest of his generation and definitely a serious force in boxing with insane abilities for nothing then you must have issues with your eyes. Add Olympic Gold medalist to boost, the finals was a robbery and I sure as hell hope you agree with that at least.

Calzaghe's biggest wins:

Jones(Yeah, a 39 year old version, or in your world a 90 year old and the same guy you're trying to make look like a nobody or an overrated guy, guess what?, he's possibly the biggest name on his resume :rofl)
Hopkins(43 year old version, in your world that must be 144 years old)
Lacy
Kessler
Eubank(coming off two losses to Collins and a few wins over cans in 10 rounders and clearly at the end of his career who went on to lose twice to Thompson then retire)

Compare that with Jones' resume and proceed to look into the nearest mirror.

 

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Yeah, that's my point exactly. He's doing it because he loves to and want to prove something, that's what proves he WANTS to do it not NEED to do it. "Need" would mean he's doing it because he's obligated for financial reasons, he's doing it to convince his self he can still pull it off which means he's doing it because he loves to and loves to prove to his self and the public he can still pull it off as delusional as it may sound.

I was confident he was going to fight Tyson IF he beat Tarver in the rematch and retire for sure after it. It's the losses that sent him to "**** it" mode where he just didn't give a damn and signed fights anyway. That's because his legacy was affected anyway which he was clearly trying to protect at that point. The Tyson fight was also clearly 100% money and a major popularity boost before retirement, let's face it, the entire world was going to tune in if he fought Tyson, he couldn't find anything bigger than that for his legacy and bank account.

It's an addiction, like Hopkins said. When you do it because you LOVE to you can't help but get addicted. They're doing this because they love it which is why they get addicted. Tyson never loved to do it after he became champion, he lost interest too quick and when you lose interest you do it for your bank account, that's where the downfall slowly begins. Jones might be past it and has been on the decline since 2003, it's his love/desire that keeps him standing and keeps him sleeping in the gym like he needs to prove something. Needing to prove something is where the desire comes from, they love the sport and that's what separates great personalities/fighters in the sport with minors.

 

He'd b better off fighting Hopkins again.

 

Roy was P4P the man ...till 2003....thats why he didnt have to go abroad.

He was willing to go to Wales to face Calzaghe, but it made more financial sense in the US.

If your the Man ...you dont go chasing, that question should be asked of other fighters.

 

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Malinga (beat Benn, Reid)
Del Valle (then WBA)
Reggie Johnson (then IBF) beat Steve Collins.