roy jones vs david haye

Stop with the drama. This is a forum, it's made for debates. It would be incredibly redundant if we all agreed on every topic.

Nobody was making the argument that Haye is faster than Roy in terms of handspeed. The point I was making is Haye has hand speed of his own, and is dynamic and athletic enough to land on Roy. I have my doubts that a Light Heavyweight would be able to take the full power of a good Heavyweight. I consider David Haye a good Heavyweight, and if his power is that devastating at Cruiserweight, I fully expect it to carry. So, just to sum that bit up.

Roy Jones is much faster in terms of handspeed, but even his cat like reflexes will fail him at times during a fight with David Haye, who is dyanmic, athletic and fast enough himself to land his big right hand. I don't see Roy taking them too well.

Of course I have seen Roy Jones in his prime. I have seen him beating up on Light Heavyweights. I've never seen him outclass and beat up on a 6'3 200lb fighter with the qualities of a David Haye. I don't think John Ruiz would beat David Haye, and nor do I think any version of Roy Jones putting on that much weight would beat him either. You're thinking of Roy Jones back at 175lb, but at 200lb he wasn't what he was. Still great, but he wasn't the Jones that outclassed Toney and Hopkins. This should all be taken into account.

Likewise, I see David Haye getting hit. I just think he would take the shots better than Jones because he is the much bigger man. Jones has been knocked out cold by two not all that huge hitters, and David Haye is on a whole different planet in terms of punching power than the both of them. He may have suffered from the shifts in weight, but who's to say putting on 200lb is going to be a benefit to Jones? I don't think it will. It'll slow him down, and he'd have to fight at a much quicker pace than what he did against Ruiz.

Not at all, I am very much disputing this now. For all of Roy Jones accomplishments, he never beat a great 200lb fighter. John Ruiz was a complete joke, his style was tailor made for a slickster like Jones. Against a huge hitter, dynamic, athletic, and pretty fast fighter himself in David Haye, I think the result would be very much in question. I concede that it would be a competitive equation, but let's not kid ourselves. Roy Jones will not be "the" Roy Jones at Heavyweight.

I think Haye lands his right hand often enough to get Roy Jones out of there...at Heavyweight.

 

What drama?:huh

Yes, forums are made for debates, but what use are they when users refuse to budge from there incorrect positions? Remaining blissfully ignorant through nationalistic pride or just plain ole stupidity and ignoring any evidence brought forth.

Its pointless to argue with you or any others beyond stating an introductory opinion because people rarely admit they were wrong and when they do, excuses are plentiful. I'd much rather just put someone on a block list than read all the back and forth that goes on here.

Watch this.

On what basis? Haye has done nothing his entire career. Lineal Champ means nothing in the case of the CW division now. But based on his victories over Kelly, Mormeck, Macrinelli, and Barret your saying he can beat a Prime Jones(at any weight)? :admin Or as you previously stated "absolutely destroy" him?:admin:admin:admin:nono
How does that work?


So, no you may not even attempt to dispute this, because at the moment Haye is a nothing but unproven loud voice screaming for an oppurtunity and until he accomplishes something anywhere that is what he will remain. When and if he does eventually beat someone of worth (*Chambers, Klitschko, Ademek at Heavy, etc) then we can accurately gauge his own worth and potential greatness. But not now, not when his best wins are those stated above.


This is where you come in refuting and denying everything i posted, and boom, just like that, we're back at square one of a conversation that began some 9 hours ago. :verysad

You have your opinion and i have mine, and i have no desire whatsoever to make mine, yours. Do you understand?

 

agree!

 

Not only that but if mock could put haye on ***** street then jones deffinately could KO the latest hype job from england... People are on crack if they compare their handspeeds wow people have short memories or have their brit blinders on...

 

I can't stop reading the Glass Jaw Roy and Haye nuthuggers argue over who would win. atsch

 

Unfortunately, Haye would Ko jones in the first 3 rounds.

 

Haye wins by KO.


I like Roy, but he has finally gotten used to 170-180 weight again and if he has to fight at 200 once again he will be done. Absolutely done.

It took him years to get used to 170-180 again. If he fights above 180 once more - I am sure his body will be done for good.

 

Give me a break. I have no Nationalistic pride, I am very critical of the Boxers the United Kingdom has produced over the last 15 years. All my favorite fighters consist of; Marco Antonio Barrera, Alexis Arguello, Muhammad Ali, Michael spinks, and the list goes on and on. I'm not actually a fan of any British fighters, not active or going through History. We can safely rule out "Nationalistic pride" as my agenda.

What evidence have you brought fourth? Interesting. I am not refusing to budge, many will tell you, I am the first to concede defeat if someone does "bring fourth evidence". You've not really done that thus far, you've just reiterated things any self-respecting Boxing fan already knows. Of course Roy Jones has hand speed, and of course he is a much better fighter than David Haye can ever imagine becoming. However, I have learned the lesson the hardway, Boxing is all about styles.

Absolutely nothing, for example, in Junior Jones career suggested that he would be able to knockout any version of Marco Antonio Barrera. He had limited success at world level, and he was even knocked out by two of Marco's victims; Kennedy Mckinney and Erik Morales. However, we all know what happened in 1997. He did not knockout Marco based on reputation, he did it because he had the style to combat Marco at that time.

There are absolutely countless examples of this throughout History, so you can stop reiterating the obvious facts. There are more factors here to consider other than how accomplished each fighter is at this point in time.

I'm struggling to understand why you are here. A forum is there so Boxing fans can gather together and discuss. There would be no use for it if we all agreed on every subject. I'll say it again, stop with the drama. Present to me this evidence you're speaking of that would suggest Roy Jones Jr could deal with a athletic, dynamic, fast, and bigger fighter in David Haye at a weight where he only contested once in his entire career...against John Ruiz? There isn't any evidence, so we have to make an informed opinion. We know Jones has been brutally knocked out cold against slower, less athletic, and much smaller lesser punchers than David Haye.

Let's give David Haye credit first of all. The only thing a Boxer can be asked is to dominate in his respective weight division and as far as I know, David Haye has done that. He could milk the rest of the Cruiserweight division if he wanted, a rather poor division as it stands, but he's decided to move up to Heavyweight to seek out new challenges. We don't need to **** over everything the man has accomplished in order to make our point.

Likewise, reputation has absolutely nothing to do with it. David Haye has been a world champion, an undisputed world champion, and is currently had a successful stint at Heavyweight where he looks strong and fast. Obviously, he has a lot more to prove as a Heavyweight, but only time will answer this one.

Like I've stated above, when discussing match-ups that haven't yet been decided, I must make an informed opinion. The match-up brought fourth on the General Forum is pitching a highly accomplished ATG in Roy Jones Junior against a much less accomplished but still world class athlete in David Haye. I am absolutely disputing the result of such a fight, and I have given the edge to David Haye based on numerous factors which do not include resume.

David Haye is a much bigger specimen than Roy Jones Jr. However, unlike John Ruiz, he is also a very capable and talented athlete in his own right. He has very good handspeed for a man standing at 6'3 and competiting with the Heavyweights. Furthermore, you talk about this sloppy right hand he has, but managed to clear up at Cruiserweight. You can **** all over what the man has accomplished, but any fighter who clears up a divison deserves not only my respect but yours also.

I think stylistically, Roy Jones will find problems with a David Haye at Heavyweight! You can list his resume and all the names he took during his magnificant career until the cows come home, but the only man he defeated at 200lb is a man named John Ruiz. Like I've already said, David Haye poses a lot more problems for Jones than a Ruiz - in my opinion.

I have not denied or refuted a great deal though have I. We're in agreement that Roy Jones was the much superior fighter in his prime, and yes, in comparison to Roy, David Haye has a lot of work to do in his career but I don't find that entirely relevant here. I keep going back to the example but it speaks volumes, Junior Jones did not come close to achieving what Marco went on to achieve, but the results were as a result of styles. This fight would be no different, in my estimation.

I think you need to get off your high horse and discuss this like a Boxing fan. Stop thinking I'm going to deny everything and be narrow minded, if you make some good points that I've not yet considered then I will acknowledge them.

You said that Roy Jones Jr is a bad stylistic match-up for David Haye? How so? He is the smaller man, not known as a knockout artist, his reach is lesser than David Haye's, and he only ever contested at Heavyweight once. In actual fact, at 200lb, both David Haye and Roy Jones Jr are not that far apart in terms of what has been accomplished.

The fact you keep disecting all of my points tells me otherwise.

 

I love all these gay ass David Haye nutthuggers who think Haye will simply murder Roy. That knucklehead's biggest claim to fame in the fight game is talking is way in an out of fights with the 2 Kiltscko brothers, who he promised to knock out and destroy. He's a joke!
And another Roy Jones Jr. Wanna-be. Wow.. a whopping 23 fights against English Muffins and such.


Roy would go up in weight. Haye would be the fresher, younger guy. Roy would still have faster hands and a solid power to match Haye. Plus the words already out.... The Haymaker can be laid out by a back-handed ***** slap. 4 hooks at one time might kill him.

 

You're rich to be calling anyone else a nuthugger.

Your name? RJJ4LIFE.

Your Avatar? The same man half naked.

Just messing bro.

 

Haye would absolutely crush this version of Jones, and probably any version.

For a start off he'd smash straight through that peek a boo defence he now employs whenever he's in with anyone who can land a punch.

 

Glass Chin Roy?

The idiot that foolishly blurted that bit of revisionist history, should go to youtube and get educated on Roy Jones Jr. He wasn't even knocked down for 9 years as a pro. Tarver landed a perfect (albeit blind) shot to Roy's jaw. Most fighters would've been assed out. Roy beat the count, but the ref stopped it.

Then he came back way too soon after Tarver and obviously couldn't take any kind of clean shots. Look at the knockout punch. Johnson is wearing big ass 10 oz gloves and drop's an overhand right that knocks Roy out cold! Come on. Most fighters would've retired or taken a year off. He came back in 5 to fight a tough s.o.b. The damage was not probably heeled. Emmanuel Steward said thats what he thought.

2 knockouts after he came down so far in weight, it messed up his body. Look at video on youtube designed to testify that Roy has a a solid chin. He took a couple solid punches from the hard hitting Lacy and didn't even blink. Walked through fire against Tarver in the 3rd fight surviviing a late round barrage. "The Slapper" couldn't even rock his legs, instead slapping open a cut and picking at it with the thumb.

Roy has a solid chin. Don't hate. 2 knockouts. Thats your whole argument on his chin. otherwise he's survived 57 professional fights and hundreds of amateur fights with very little to no damage.

 

I don't know why people are getting so upset over the whole thing. Roy Jones Jr was never a legitimate Heavyweight.

 

Roy doesn't have a glass jaw in my estimation, but he's going to feel a shot thrown by David Haye.

I've often accused a lot of posters of making to much out of size and weight advantages, but Haye has a lot of athletic ability in addition to the physical advantages he possesses . I think it's to much for a Light Heavyweight to overcome.