LIGHTWEIGHT TOURNAMENT SEMI FINAL- Pernell Whitaker vs Henry Armstrong

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  1. teeto

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    15 rounds, no reason, no vote.
     
  2. McGrain

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    I like Armstrong down the stretch.

    The thing is, people talk about style advantages and how a pressure fighter has one over a defensive slickster type - but then try to renege, to a degree, over Whitaker. I understand why. He is brilliant and he throws loads of punches. But the advantage is still there. What people expect to see is Armstrong crowding Whitaker and pushing him back with aggression, judges too. Furthermore, aggression is scored, in all eras. This fight would obviously be close. They are obviously in the same clase. But I think close rounds would tend to go to Armstrong, and that could make the difference. It's unfair, but there is an inherant bias to certain styles in the way boxing is judged.

    We all have to live with it.

    Armstrong something like 5-4-5 in reality but with many of those close rounds ending up being scored for Henry.
     
  3. teeto

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    Thanks for the reply, i'm really stuck at the moment on this one.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Because McGrain voted for Hank ill go Pernell by 1 point. Off sets Henrys aggresion in the closer rounds to win it
     
  5. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pea by close decision. He's too good off of the backfoot against Armstrong. Armstrong doesn't have the footspeed to keep with Whitaker.
     
  6. teeto

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    Well this would be a backfoot performance in the main by Whitaker, at times with a similar approach to that in the Nelson fight, but Armstrong is better in more close than what Nelson was for me, or at least at keeping that distance closed. I find it really hard to pick, but i'm going for Whitaker to win a close decision, razor thin that is. His ring genralship is second to none, in terms of keeping things in the middle of the ring he is brilliant, but the thing that's making me not too sure is the video McGrain posted a while back of Henry, where i replied about his jab, his ability is top drawer.

    Hardest one for me to pick so far, Whitaker on points, reluctantly. Then again this is over 15...
     
  7. Flea Man

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    I go for Pea; mainly because on the inside Pea will be able to flurry off combinations and use his superior footspeed to get back out again.

    I see Pea winning some rounds on the backfoot, Hank winning some by applying intelligent pressure. I see Pea swaying a few of the close rounds by mixing his attack up and that is what will count. He will be hanging on in the last three rounds though as Hank goes for broke.

    Pea-8-7-Henry Armstrong
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Whitaker is 1 of the most dominant of performers I've seen, in order to hit a man you have to get your feet in range and hit him quick enough for him not to slip/block. Whitaker simply moved, slipped and parryed better than any man in history. His jab masterfully controlled fights, he was a great in fighter, high workrate, nearly impossible to beat.

    I see this fight similar to the Nelson fight, Armstrong is better, closes the gap faster and is more intense but Whitaker still masterfully uses the same gameplan to control the fight and win a fairly wide decision

    Whitaker widish UD
     
  9. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i was watching the chavez fight a few weeks ago and noticed how whitaker was so exhausted at the end of the fight . chavez did not pressure whitaker as well as expected
    and as we all know whitaker got screwed but i think here the 15 rounds distance may and just tip the scales in armstrongs favour.armstrong takes the 14th and 15th to get a 1 point sd win .leaving whitaker once again not happy with the judges but at least the wbc are not involved this time
     
  10. Rock0052

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    I think Armstrong will succeed where Chavez has failed; he's just too rough, too gritty, and his unorthodox fighting would actually make life tougher for Pea than the more conventional fighters in the tournament would've. Pea's a master at ring generalship, but I don't think he'd be able to dictate the fight with Armstrong on his terms- nobody ever did with Armstrong at his best, despite him routinely being the smaller fighter even at the world level.

    Pea's a fantastic fighter, but I see Armstrong taking him to a place he's never been before in the ring and making life miserable for him.

    Armstrong by a clear UD for me.
     
  11. Manassa

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    Unluckily for Whitaker, Armstrong was quick on his feet, absolutely relentless, and awkward. If you were to write on paper the kind of styles and attributes that would be needed to beat Whitaker, I'm sure you'd come up with something very close to what Armstrong had.

    The most underrated aspect of all is Armstrong's power. No, he wasn't a one punch knockout artist; his power was more Ortiz or Monzon, except he used it with full force, in your face, all the time. Did you know that when Henry Armstrong was at his peak he went 59-1-1 with 51 knockouts? Infact, 27 of those were consecutive. And don't think they were all cab drivers; included in this streak were winnings of the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titles. He made 19 title defences, 18 of those at welterweight. Armstrong had no problem knocking out the bigger men.

    I'd bet on Whitaker's legs buckling under a hurricane late in the fight. He'd last the distance but concede the last six rounds and lose by hard fought decision. Armstrong.
     
  12. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Armstrong via a close decision, his pressure would make the difference especially down the strench were he would just out lands and out works Whitaker.
     
  13. Rock0052

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    Good stuff there about the effectiveness of Armstrong's pressure. That kind of KO record is great in any era, but back then it was phenomenal .
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Good read, good points, good post :good
     
  15. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like Hammerin' Henry just by sheer volume of punching. Pernell will undoubtedly keep it close or could very well be leading going into the late rounds. But the frantic pace of Armstrong's has Whitaker worn out by the 13th thru the 15th. Armstrong by close decision win.