Super Six: Froch vs Dirrell

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  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    very intriguing fight, lots of intangibles.

    Dirrell has the better footwork, handspeed, agility and athleticism and is also slicker. He tends to switch hit ineffectively though and just for the sake of it as supposed to someone like Ward who uses it well for combat effectiveness. Dirrell relies on a block game rather then slipping and he's the more effective boxer puncher. many unanswered questions about him though like, his chin, heart, how he reacts to adversity and so on......two main problems for Dirrell are his inexperience and tendency to square up as he switches from southpaw to orthodox.

    Froch as we know is a one dimentional fighter, he trys to box but lacks the fundamentals, he's stronger then dirrell and a better pressure fighter, he's more experienced and has tasted a higher level plus he's at home. Froch paws with his jab which will leave him to counters, he fights with his face although he has a very good beard. He's got this very bad habit of taking his right hand away from his guard after throwing a jab and literally pulling it back almost behind his head (like someone stretching after just waking up) in the opposite direction of the jab. this will leave him open to looping single shots particularly the left hook as dirrell switches. Carl is a sloppy fighter who swings very wide however there's a chance he catches dirrell with a killer right although it won't be the timing veriety of a technical assasin.

    Two major keys to this fight: Whose stronger and can dirrell play keep away. Dirrell is not accomplished at this level and has been seen to be pressured easily. I think hanshaw had him buzzed which ain't a good sign for him, how will he deal with being away from home with a fighter who'll take him to places he hasnt been before?

    I think Dirrell may have a lot of upside but he's up against the hardest style for him from the gate. Dirrell is not comfortable in keeping space and distance and not disciplined enough for outboxing over 12 rounds. He'll come in square up and leave that stationary head ripe for a Cobra right cross. Second half of the fight Frochy just walks him down and probabily ends it late. I think the inexperience and being away will take its toll on him. He'll need something special to take this one.


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  2. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I see great fight between these two!!

    I see Dirrell starting off fast looking good...settling into world level with ease and boxing off the back foot well and tagging a on coming Froch with flashy combination's and pot shots and moving away. Froch as normal will stalk and look to catch Dirrell with hard shots to welcome him to world level. He may give away early rounds as he lets Dirrell work off back foot. There's signs it can turn into a cracking fight as Dirrell gets clipped a few times and he reply's back but i think will try hard to avoid trading with Froch. As the fight goes on from round 4 to 8 i see Froch taking some rounds and catching Dirrell and starting to put it on Dirrell.

    Dirrell now is starting to show some of the green that we were concerned about he's switch hitting is to risky and he's getting caught and also starting to unravel under the intense pressure. He's now backing up into corners and not looking as slick. He still doing well but there's signs of him getting flustered he is also looking a bit tired....Froch by 8-10 is catching up with him and hitting him with good clean shots especially short jab right over top as Dirrell backs up in straight line. Froch will starting timing his movements and start to land high looping shots.

    Dirrell will make the mistake of backing up into corner like did in first 20 seconds of Hamshaw fight and late in fight will be caught and hurt and Froch will stalk and make him pay and stop him by round 11. Dirrell is nice to watch but takes to many risks especially the switch hitting....he backs himself into corner and can be caught and also shows signs that if hurt will trade. I see him falling short....it's ok him saying i will be complete in this fight...no mistakes but he hasn't mixed at this level and when he taking risks as if it second nature i don't see him staying disciplined for full 12 rounds and i expect Froch to perform a lot better then last time out.

    Dirrell has strength and fast flashy shots but i'm concerned that his game plan will be to cautious and he will struggle to fight off back foot for so long. To me he looks ragged at times and doesn't look as slick as Ward and i think it will end in game defeat for the young yank.

    Froch TKO 9-11 Rounds!!!
     
  3. achillesthegreat

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    This may be one of those fights where amateur and pro makes a big difference.

    When Froch is facing guys like Taylor, even Pascal and Dirrel, he needs to take control quicker or risk a salvage job late on.
     
  4. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    very good post, I totally agree mandanda :good

    I haven't seen to much of Dirrell (only the hanshaw and oganov fights) he looked somewhat slick, but anyone can look good against that sort of opposition, its a whole different thing to produce it against a pressure fighter like froch, who takes lots of shots, has plenty of heart and just keeps coming in his own backyard, its key this fight being in nothingham because Froch looks to be a different animal when fighting at home. heres a question does he beat Pascal if that was in quebec?

    Having said that Dirrell will pose different problems then Taylor, he's stronger, bigger and smarter (although thats not difficult) its well balanced because if dirrel answers some those unanswered questions, not gass and box's smarter, froch could be made to order for him. He'll surely be smarter then taylor though, can't see him losing it with seconds to go. Taylor in that last round displayed some of the worst survival tactics in the HISTORY OF BOXING. I'm not saying Carl didn't do his job but you can't tell me Dirrell is gonna go out like that....no matter how young he is. Forget stamina and strength for a minute.....point blank....boxing 101. Jermaine Taylor is a ****** and this Dirrel kid is slick. this is why i can't wait for this thing.
     
  6. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    why do people vote but never comment? :lol:
     
  7. essexboy

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    I voted a Froch KO but me and alot of people are gonna look very stupid if Dirrell pulls off a win by the looks of the poll.
     
  8. Mandanda

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    It's one of them fights where there's questions being asked right until the final bell. We don't know what Dirrell has in locker other then some nice skills...does he have heart...a good chin....stamina?? all these questions to be asked.

    I think Dirrell is a class act skill wise but skills are only part of what makes a champion. Slip made some great points about the Taylor fight. Taylor never gassed like a lot of people try claim he took a lot of heavy shots and instead of seeing fight out he just made poor choices and was in range got clipped and never knew how to survive.

    I want Froch to win he is whats right about Boxing today and he's a brit so i'm a big fan but if Andre wins then props to kid cos i like him and his bro..seem like nice guys.
     
  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Froch will take brain damage throughout the first 5-11 rounds or so, then force a stoppage in with that horrible zombie like style of boxing he has, where he is too stupid to quit.
     
  10. jonnytightlips

    jonnytightlips Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Froch will KO Dirrel even though I hate the ****
     
  11. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    I also think Froch will score the stoppage, Dirrell is too green at this stage and fighting against the crowd for the first time in his career as well. If Dirrell has a chance, then he has to try and take most of the first 6 rounds convincingly, then get on his bike and start pot-shotting to steal a couple of the later rounds and not engage in a war with Froch.

    Froch TKO8.
     
  12. digregorio1.

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    i've gone for Dirrell to win on points so i'm trying to write my explanation but my patriotic brain just keeps interrupting with "froch is gunna win!!!"

    anyway, the bases for my prediction is that Dirrell's speed and boxing skills will be too much for Froch's shocking defence just like taylor was too fast and slick for him, and i think Dirrell is faster than taylor so will cause Froch even more problems, and it was only lack of stamina that lost taylor the fight

    HOWEVER, i really hope Froch's Big British Balls pulls him through, but my original prediction stands...and i might stick a few bob on it.
     
  13. robpalmer135

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    dirrel has been no where near the class of Froch.
     
  14. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    The problem for Dirrell is he hasn't one tenth the experience of Taylor, plus there's more questions regarding him and less ifs about Froch. We know Carl won't get discouraged even if he's being outclassed early and losing rounds, We know he can take a shot and eat a load of them all night and still be there and he can end it with one shot....its not a lock in pick, but just to many ifs to bet on Dirrell.

    I have to ask myself though....I'm I over playing the experience factor in Froch's favor? because it's all based and comes from fighting the poster boy for how not to finish your meal who has looked lost every time he's fought someone who can match him in physical prowess and a guy no one outside of J u s t i n would recognize.
     
  15. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I'm I the only one who's picked up on this major flaw of Froch and thinks it may impact on the fight? I speak of this bad habit where, when he throws a jab he drops the right hand from his guard and almost literally pulls it behind his head or waaay to the side parallel with his right chick....maybe its just too imperceptible of a mistake from Froch. but this could mean Dirrels previously ineffective stance switches might actually be an advantage in this fight as a looping left lead straight from the point of squaring up will be there all night.