Who does Wlad beat against these old time Heavyweights?

"who are like 3X worse than Ali."

How old are you?

 

lol I'm the one that should be questioning your age since you're such a Wladimir fanboy. What would Wladimir do that would beat Ali? Most of the heavyweights today can't even get past Wladimir's jab, that's how much they suck. They suck so bad that Eddie Chambers is one of the few heavyweights today with a very good skill set, and he's not even a natural heavyweight. The boxers in the past not only had Chambers skillset, but they were natural heavyweights too. Boxers in the past are much more skilled compared to the division that the Klitschko's are dominating.

 

Actually he is correct. How much more simple can it be? Ali is far, far better than Wlad at many things, none the least of which is heart and chin, which he would probably beat Wlad on alone. It's pretty obvious to anyonewho has actually spent alot of time watching these two fighters.

 

:d lol you like make me luf yo

 

Just trying to get my point across to a Klitschko fanboy, that wasn't a good argument I admit.

 

"lol"

Nice response. Most ironic.

I have not once said anything on the outcome of such a hypothetical matchup. I have simply asked what makes it an Ali victory such a lay down misere. The respones have consisted of:

"he's simply better"
"better in more departments"
"today's heavyweights are much worse than those of Ali's day"

That is just a TAD simplistic, but run with it.

I wonder how many of Ali's fights you've actually seen. If you've seen a few, you would hardly consider him unbeatable. This the same Ali who was knocked down by the very limited and tiny Henry Cooper, after being absolutely pushed by Doug Jones. The same Ali who was beaten in his prime by both Frazier and Norton. He was hardly infallible.

Personally, I just don't see Ali outjabbing the taller man with a wonderful jab, and I don't see how he has the power to really get Wlad in his shell. I would not have Ali as a clear favourite.

 

But the thing is, "better in more departments" is a completely valid and telling observation. Ali will not be so simple as to be drawn into a jab fest if it's not working out for him. (which it may well be). There's nore than one way to skin a cat, and Ali was superior at many important things such as strategic clinching, footwork and agility, as well as mental/psychological gamesmanship. If we're pretending these things suddenly don't matter in boxing, then yeah, Wlad has a chance. Hell, he may win a computer fight but not in real life that's for damn sure.

 

What you're asking is a hypothetical matchup. Say what you about his "tough fights" against Jones and Cooper, he was unbeaten in the 60's. Had the government never taken away his prime years, he was pretty much unbeatable, I would say that's pretty close to invincible. The fact that you think Ali doesn't have the power to hurt Wlad, makes me assume you're a Klitschko fanboy. I would rate Ali's skills much higher than most heavyweights today, even higher than the likes of Holyfield and Lewis, who I think would beat Wlad in their primes. Also Wlad is a robot, his footwork is slow compared to Ali, who would give Wlad all sorts of angles. Let me put it to you this way, the heavyweights today can't even get past Wlad's jab, they can't even test Wlad. Ali would not only give Wlad a tough fight, he would annihilate him.

 

How in the world is dancing Ali from the Liston fight, flicking punches and confusing Sonny (One of the concensus best) going to somehow be trapped at the end of Wlad's somewhat robotic and predictable, albeit powerful, jab? I just don't see it.

 

wlad and chuck norris beats everyone in the universe.

 

You sound pathetic.

Just saying.

 

He's going to strategically clinch Wlad? Someone to whom he gives away 20 odd kgs, and is taller (and is thus is able to lean DOWN on him)? That's something Jack Mosley would advise.

I don't think anyone doubts Ali's skills and speed vis a vis toay's heavyweights. But the 70s era heavweights were tiny. Byrd--tiny by today-- was just about the size size as Foreman. The question is whether he would be able to use them to overcome the considerable size and reach disadvantage against a man with a VERY good skillset, the combination of which he never encountered in the era of much smaller heavyweights, where he was almost invariably the bigger man, and at worst on par in terms of size.

But good luck to you if you think it is simply on skills and psychological imposition. Mayweather would beat Wlad no questions too on that basis.

 

Silly me then for thinking skills and psychological imposition wins alot of boxing matches

 

None of them. Possibly Marciano but I wouldn't count on it.

 

Ali definitely has enough power to stop Wlad. He stopped Foreman who had an ATG chin. Ali would find a way, within six