fedors legacy will not be complete until he fights in the ufc

Not necessarily.... Let's say Lesnar gets beaten in his next fight...by anybody. Lesnar's fans will either call it a fluke or they'll stop saying that fedor is avoiding competition.

Even better , if Lesnar loses against Crocop (not likely but just for argument's sake)...Then nobody will even be pissed about the fact that emelianenko isn't fighting in ufc's hw division.

So far , he's been able to bypass all of this by fighting ex-ufc champions (Arlovski and Sylvia)

But since Arlovski later lost in a matter of seconds against Brett Rogers & Sylvia was koed in no time by Mercer... These victories have been tarnished in a way.

Which brings me to Anderson Silva (slightly changing the subject here)

I find it rather ironic that Anderson's latest victory over Forest Griffin triggered sherdog's staff to rank him as P4P # 1

Here's why...

1 - anderson cuts to MW...(so even though he beat a LHW , he was just fighting in his natural weight category).

2 - Griffin was defeated by Rashad Evans 8 months earlier.

In other words , giving all the praise in the world and ranking anderson # 1 is the equivalent of doing the same with Brett Rogers because he defeated Arlovski in a few seconds.

Chronologically speaking , it's ridiculous imo.

(not to mention the very concept of P4P is incredibly flawed and absurd & it in no way reliable , but again , that's another entire different issue).

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On the other hand....If Fedor loses his next fight in strikeforce , Dana white , the entire ufc staff including a huge portion of mma fans will be happy to spit on fedor's resume and mock his entire career.

What Fedor and Finkelstein are doing is a VERY risky career move. Right now , fedor is the king of the hill but everything could end in an instant. It wouldn't be the same if he'd be part of ufc's stable of fighters but he isn't.

 

Btw fedor defeated what you call "ufc rejects" and b grade fighters...when it mattered.

At the time he defeated them...it was relevant and important.

I don't see you bitching about Lesnar annihilating Herring.... when Fedor did the same (only better , since herring was so badly hurt he had to quit the fight) , a few years earlier....when herring was still at his best.

Fedor defeated Nogueira & Crocop when it mattered.
Even Semmy Schilt (when it mattered because it was part of a GP and fedor was the underdog too).

Lesnar for ex , hasn't done it so far. His best victory was against Mir...
a guy who not only already defeated him. But who also lost against Brandon Vera not so long ago.

We could maybe also count his victory over Couture but here again , Couture is 45 (i think)...and yet , he was doing pretty good against the much bigger , younger , more powerful...Lesnar. Couture was at times , outwrestling him before the TKO... Lesnar was obviously gassed.

Fedor also defeated Coleman and Randleman when it mattered...(especially randleman , as inconsistent as he is...he defeated him in 2004...in other words back when Kevin pulled one of the biggest upset in mma history)...not only that , it was during another GP.

It's a bit like couture's victory over Gonzaga...People had doubts , Gonzaga was the new "it" fighter of the hw division at the time..

people used to say Gonzaga > Fedor etc...it was ridiculous. Then Werdum defeated him (again)


Fans in general , tend to have a pretty short memory..or a selective one.

 

Another small detail.....
We could say that sylvia is a ufc reject but it still doesn't changes the fact that he was a champion in their organisation.

And also...

Unlike Sylvia , no one can label Arlovski as a reject and here's why.
According to his record:
He won 3 fights in a row inside the octagon
(against Cruz , Werdum & O'brien )
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/andrei-arlovski-270

Then he simply left the ufc (maybe because he was asking for more money ? who knows...) and fought rothwell in affliction

And here again , fedor defeated arlovski when it also mattered...
(arlovski had a 5 winning streak before losing against Fedor)

 

:roll:

 

You mean like Rampage? or Silva? And who are these major challenges in the UFC? Carwin? Cain? 4-1 Lesnar? :roll:

 

I don't understand this at all, it's like saying if you don't have an advert with Coke or Pepsi your not a real pop star.

 

Ok pookie. Did you know the moon is made of cheese? I like cheese. Cheese is yummy!

 

Anderson Silva (ex pride fc fighter). FAILED to grab the belt over there. And happens to be today's UFC champion.

Quentin Jackson (ex pride fc fighter) FAILED to grab the LHW belt , and became UFC champ.

Josh Barnett ( ex UFC champion ) FAILED to grab the grand prix belt

Nogueira ex pride fc champ & UFC interim heavyweight champion.

Liddell , FAILED when he entered Pride's final conflict 2003 then 2 years later became UFC champ

THE ONLY EX-UFC fighter who ever had both titles (pride fc belt) was Mark Coleman. in 2000 , Coleman won pride's openweight GP. (and won ufc's first ever hw title)

It all boils down to Gonzaga vs Crocop.... NOBODY was expecting it to happen. and that's when everybody was questioning pride's talent pool.

But of course it's absolute garbage because mma ogranisations DO NOT train the ****ing fighters. Dream entertainement wasn't training fedor...Zuffa isn't training Anderson.

Would Gonzaga own Fedor ? Who knows...Maybe ...maybe not.
What i do know , is that after all the hysteria and mega hype this guy had...WERDUM (ex pride fc fighter ) , had a rematch with him , and defeated him twice.

Herring...defeated Kongo.

Shogun had a very disappointing debut , i'll give you that (against Griffin )
But here again , it doesn't erases the past , he defeated Jackson , Arona , Overeem , Rogerio.

Shogun also looked like utter **** against Mark the fossil Coleman. WHY ? Who the **** knows...Maybe roids are missing ?

Granted Werdum was defeated by Arlovski , then Fedor also defeated Arlovski so case closed.

Sokoudjou had a disappointing UFC run..true
But at least he lost against Machida (who later became champion)

It wasn't the case with Chuck , because back in 2003 & 2005 the guys who were owning the LHW division were Wanderlei & Shogun. Not Jackson. (even though he was a top fighter & a contender)

Sokoudjou also lost against Cane and Sobral (but that was in affliction) , Sobral recently got owned by an M1 fighter (Mousasi). Before Pride fc , Soko lost at WEC against Teixeira.

Orgs don't train fighters. So...

NO...just no. When you look at "who beats who"...You quickly realise that not only are most of them contenders but also happen to be champions or ex champions. (jackson).

Next contender ? Henderson !...

If you just concentrate on the losses , and ignore the rest...you're obviously gonna say "fedor's legacy will not be complete until...."

It doesn't matter if the fight takes place in the ufc or on mars...
The only interesting fights for him over there are against Lesnar & maybe Dos Santos & Shane Carwin...

Thing is , if Couture beats Nogueira (which imo he probably will becaue Nog is shot...looked bad against Herring and almost got koed in the process , was surviving against Sylvia & got defeated by mir )...I bet everyone will soon say Couture > Fedor.

(even though , Couture already lost against Barnett in his prime , and Barnett lost against Nogueira).

Mmath doesn't work and never will. and Org vs Org fighter is also meaningless.

It's funny how all the ex-pride fc fighters are now considered as ufc fighters , but all ex pride fc fighters who lose their fights outside pride are still considered pride fc fighters by ufc fans

You don't see that **** with Jackson...You do see it with Crocop...don't see it with Machida (hey afterall , he fought 3 times in K1 didn't he ? )...I bet if he never had the career he's enjoying today , you'd have idiots say "he should go back to japan where the competition is easier"...Kinda like Leben did before getting raped by Anderson.

In the end , all of this is irrelevant..just enjoy the ****ing fights , you never know what could happen...maybe fedor will lose in strikeforce anyway...or maybe Lesnar will get koed by someone nobody is expecting.

 

most of you mma fans have no integrity...

 

He won the Pride heavy-weight title which was probably a much tougher task when you consider the fighters in each organization at the time. It's no secret the best heavy-weights during Fedor's reign as Pride champ were fighting in Japan.

Is he avoiding the tougher fights? Maybe. Does this change all his acclompished in his past? NO. As far as p4p goes it is simply opinion, in my opinion he hasn't done enough lately to be considered best p4p fighter. BUT, I would easily still have him ranked 1# heavy-weight.

There's my 2c