Middleweight Tournament Round 2: Fitzsimmons vs Robinson

Johnson stated categorically that Fitz was a superior puncher to Jeffries,as his two kos of Sharkey would indicate imo.
I think this is a tough pick and a solid case can be made for either man, just cannot get my head around the possibilty of Robinson going out in the second round!

 

Janitor, was it you, that had mayn psi measurements of some of the all time greats?

 

So the greatest boxer ever can do it? But the greatest pound for pound boxer ever Cant?

Why does leaning back get Fitz crucified but not Ali? I agree that Fitz style isnt best for most, but (like ali) Fitz wasnt like most was he?

 

Cmon McVey, change that pick I heard that when this fantasy contract was signed, Fitz insisted on signing it for an outdoor arena in Reno, Nevadas desert sun at 12.00pm midday with Large bright and hot white lights used to help televise the match. I hope Ray remembers to hydrate himself this time!

 

Fascinating matchup.

Pound for pound, Robinson is the GOAT. But like Mr. George Washington Duke said, Let's talk reality. Robinson was an extraordinary welterweight, but, being human, upon fighting bigger men, he evidenced the corresponding natural limitations this task imposes as a matter of physics, particularly against talented men such as LaMotta and Maxim.

Bob Fitzsimmons deserves respect as what he was: a bigger man with a huge punch and the necessary ring know-how to track down a marvelous defensive genius in Gentleman Jim Corbett, knocking out the 184-pounder with his patented solar-plexus punch. Fitz, at 167, also beat the 200-plus-pound Big Jeff to a pulp before succumbing in the 11th. I honestly shudder to think what a Fitzsimmons smash would do to Sugar Ray.

Fitz is the naturally bigger man and close in overall talent to Robinson. A basic boxing tenet is a good big man beats a good little man. Fitzsimmons must be the natural favorite in this match. Robinson could win, but it would be an upset. It would mean he miraculously avoided getting hit solidly over 15 rounds, and I don't think this is realistic, particularly because of Ray's slashing style and idiosyncrasy. He was never simply a fancy Dan happy to dance along to a win on points. He was sweet as sugar, graceful non pareil, but a part of him also loved a war and this could very well be his undoing at any point in the fight. If LaMotta could hit Ray and exploit a 16-pound weight advantage, I see Fitz, no John Ruiz, certainly able to as well.

In their second fight, LaMotta romped over Ray. Sixteen pounds heavier, he knocked Robinson through the ropes in the 8th Round, and quite simply bulled through all Ray's wonderful resources, en route to a 52-47, 57-49, 55-45 decision. "I never fought a fighter as strong as he," said Ray. Certainly Fitzsimmons is a much harder puncher than Jake LaMotta.

Give me Fitzsimmons...by TKO.

 

I am a great admirer of Fitz and can easily see a scenario where he wins this ,and by stoppage ,I just thought you were a bit dismissive of SRR.
I will post in the FItz thread shortly ,and it will be complimentary to him:good

 

Fitz isnt P4P anything in the grand scheme of things, he doesnt have the speed to pull it off against a great fighter. Anyway Ali paid for it against Frazier

Now tell us all again how Fitz hits as hard as Wlad

 

Fitzsimmon by KO.
Because he was a beast, a murderous puncher. At his best he'd KO any middleweight or light-middle.

 

F*ck me does McClellan beat Robinson too, he smashed up some real heavyweights and he actually had some technical skills and speed

 

I doubt it.

 

****ing thread got outta hand.

 

I have to wonder whether Robinson would have even fought him.
He never fought guys like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles or Floyd Patterson, guys who were knocking over heavyweights, he never fought a guy like Bob Satterfield even. Of all the punchers and great fighters he fought he didn't fight those guys who were proven capable of wrecking the big boys.
When he fought for the light-heavyweight championship he was up against a man who was known to have sub-average punching power.
And even at 159 pounds Bob Fitzsimmons was a giant killer with the world's hardest punch.

 

Moore walked away from negotiations with Robinson :deal Anyway Fitz wasnt wrecking big men he stopped a LHW who happened to be HW champ, they were all bigger and better than Fitz

 

Fitzsimmons knocked out Jim Corbett, Peter Maher, Tom Sharkey, Gus Ruhlin. All weighed over 175 and were top fighters.

 

Corbett wasnt the only world class big man Fitz beat. Did you forget about Peter Maher, Tom Sharkey, Jim Daley, Gus Ruhlin and of course the 6'3 230 to 260 lb heavyweight contender Ed Dunkhorst.