Middleweight Tournament Round 2: Fitzsimmons vs Robinson

in modern terms Audley Harrison would probably beat all of those guys

 

BARELY and all could make certainly make LHW, Fitz was only giving up 10-17lbs, Roy Jones gave up around 40lbs against Ruiz. Fitz is at a disadvantage and it is an impressive achievement beating them but it isnt the god like achievement its made out to be

Its basically the same as Hopkins facing Adamek at 200lbs, except at 200lbs Adamek will be bigger with more technical skills

 

Dunkhurst was a bum the rest probably could have made the LHW limit. Fitz was only giving up 10-17lbs against the quality HWs he faced, Roy Jones gave up around 40lbs against Ruiz. Fitz is at a disadvantage and it is an impressive achievement beating them but it isnt the god like achievement its made out to be

Its basically the same as Hopkins facing Adamek at 200lbs, except at 200lbs Adamek will be bigger with more technical skills

 

audley beats all challengers to his saviour of the universe tittle

 

Gus Ruhlin was about 195 pounds when he fought Fitzsimmons, and it's almost irrelevant whether those guys "could have" made 175 pounds.
They were bigger than middleweights and in-shape at over 175 pounds.
Fitzsimmons was knocking out bigger men who were well-regarded fighters and durable. His punching power was rated - on his results - as the best in the world, regardless of weight.
In contrast, Robinson wasn't stopping top any light-heavyweights and wasn't fighting any top light-heavyweight puncher, and never beat a top light-heavyweight.

 

Guess what, the fights at MW not LHW, Robinson has stopped many top middleweights and was fighting top middleweight punchers, and beat many top middleweights

Fitz also would have to drain down to 160lbs, this isnt the 167-170lb version of Fitz

 

Fitz doesnt have to drain down to anything. He won the world Heavyweight title at 158! He can go up a pound or to if he wants.

I am interested, what do you base your statement that Dunkhorst was a bum on, exactly. I am guessing that it wasnt the film? Incomplete Boxrec records perhaps?

By the way, like Robinson, Fitz also met many top middleweights himself, difference is, he knocked them all out. One of them, Joe Choynski did actually last 5 rounds, but he ended flat on his back, and he was a light heavyweight at the time.

 

Apparently Fitzsimmons had no problem making that weight, and it's rumoured that his announced weights of 167 were bull**** anyway. Someone who was with him before the Corbett fight wrote that he saw Bob weigh himself at something like 158 a day before the fight.

Anyway, that's not the point. I was just pointing out that Fitzsimmons' power is proven against bigger men than Robinson's is, and his ability to survive bigger men of that size and soak up their punches is proven, whereas Robinson's isn't.

I've seen lots of Robinson middleweight footage. And while he's undeniably great, and can do a great many things in the ring, he does get hit. I think it's reasonable to pick the freakishly powerful and savvy one-punch hitter Fitzsimmons to ruin his day in this one.

 

No he didnt he was 167lbs

Dunkhurst put on 55lbs in 3years, which makes him a fat ass. He lost to everyone half decent and there is no evidence he is any good. I know you have the career set of Dunkhurst showing off his amazing ability, we cant see right

 

I dont think Fitz has freakish power though, I think GMAN for 1 had better power than him and I certainly wouldnt pick GMAN over Robinson either

Plus you dont usually land your best shots on great fighters and Robinson would be the greatest. Especially when Fitz looks slow and prehistoric in technique. Add to that Robinson has never looked in serious trouble throughout his career, never KO'd, going for a KO is a huge stretch

 

Ruhlin was 6 2in and usually scaled between 190 and 200 lbs, I dont see him as a LHVY.
Fitz conceded 39 lbs in the 1st Jeffries fight and 47lbs in the 2nd ,plus 13 years in age.

 

Audley also beats Robinson. What is the point?

 

Roy Jones?

Now Robinson is going to beat Roy Jones?

"It isn't the god like achievement its made out to be"

No one else has ever held the undisputed middleweight, lightheavyweight, and heavyweight titles.

I don't know about god like, but if a man does what no one else has ever done, it is pretty impressive.

 

Dunkhurst was nearly 6' 4" and less than six months earlier had beaten Bob Armstrong, a respectable contender who was once colored champion. He also had gone 22 rounds with Gus Ruhlin. He was a journeyman, but hardly that bad.

 

Yes, and he also lost to a slew of these middleweights, and I don't think they were all that impressive a bunch, to be frank. Robinson stopped LaMotta in 13. In his next fight LaMotta was stopped by the crude as hell Bob Murphy in 7 and a bit later by the even more crude Danny Nardico in 8. Beating LaMotta is impressive for a welter, but not so impressive that Fritzie Zivic couldn't do it.

Turpin beat Robinson badly in London. In the rematch Robinson was cut up and in trouble when he rallied to hurt Turpin and the ref stopped the fight. Everyone wanted a rubber. Robinson walked away.

Robinson went up against Maxim, certainly not the top lightheavy in the world as his next fight with Moore proved, and got stopped by this powderpuff puncher.

On the comeback trail in 1954, Robinson lost very badly to the ordinary Tiger Jones, losing every round. Later he was beaten badly by Fullmer, and also lost to the much smaller Basilio in 1957. While Robinson was aging, it is worth noting that Fitz was older than this when he ko'd Ruhlin and Sharkey, much older when he broke the huge Jeffries' nose and sliced Jeff up so badly that it looked like Jeff had fallen face first into a silage blower, and at forty Fitz beat Gardner for the lightheavy title.

And who of Robinson's opponents is a TOP middleweight puncher. Robinson himself said Artie Levine was the hardest puncher he faced. The top middleweights he fought were not known for being punchers, except for the over-the-hill Graziano, definitely dangerous, but much cruder, off the film, than Fitz and also much smaller. Graziano still knocked Robinson down.

Being the undisputed champion of every weight class from less than 150 lbs to the unlimited class might not impress you, but I find it far more impressive than going 8-6-1 in middleweight championship contests.