Joe Frazier v Ken Norton 1974/76

Funny thing, Frazier was nowhere near his best shape for both Foreman fights.
Frazier could've beat Norton in '76, but at a weight around under 215.

 

Frazier KO's him both times. Norton didn't match up well with punchers.

 

I'm not going to deny this prediction. However, it's dangerous to simplify the reasoning to the equation as a simple "Nortin didn't deal well with punchers." I pick Frazier too, and probably by KO (74 version not likely 76 one) but that's because Kenny was never a fighter that did well on the back foot and Frazier was the ultimate smother. I just bring up that comment because people say that against Frazier in H2H he does very poor against power punchers. In some cases it's true, and others it gets overestimated. Norton might do better against a boxer puncher. In fact, I think Frazier does better against Norton (In his prime) than a Joe Louis would because of styles. Most may feel outraged by this but Joe was just more economical and somewhat cautious, while ironically being the most killer of a finisher.

 

I have mentioned that Frazier could have fought Shavers, Norton, and Lyle.

While Norton's chin was suspect vs, punchers he was not hurt once by Ali, yet Frazier was. Both guys were demolished by Foreman. Frazier did not hit as hard as Foreman, nor was he a fast starter either.

I think the most likely outcome here is 1-1 with the above dates. Frazier was past his best by 1974. Norton was not.

 

frazier i think would stop norton late but it would not surprise me if frazier had to settle for a ud win ,as said frazier would be making norton fight on the back foot wich would at least half norton`s effectiveness as a fighter

 

Frazier's pressure would enable him to win on a late, seventh to eighth round stoppage.

 

Yeah, I agree. Any version of Frazier would beat Norton.

 

Most take it for granted that Frazier would have pushed Norton to the back foot. Yet, Norton was physically strong and possessed enough punching power to keep Frazier at bay some of the time.

In this fight, I feel that style would be a big factor. Norton's herky jerky style of fighting in fits and bursts would be ill-suited for Frazier's constant pressure style. Frazier punched with nowhere near the same power as Foreman did, though. So an early exit for Norton is not likely. Frazier might be able to close the show in the middle rounds. But if Norton is mentally strong and uses his physical assets, he could go the distance in a losing effort.

 

Weren't they sparring partners? I think Joe said that Norton was a sparring partner of his after he knocked out Jimmy Ellis. He said that guys like Norton were fast, and he was used to catching them. Or something along those lines.

 

Agreed.

 

Joe Frazier would have an easier time of being Ken Norton in 1974, than 1976.But he could suffer an upset loss in 1976, his deterioration was evident.

 

I think the faded Joe gets beat up and decisively beaten. He wouldn't be able to drive.

1974, he probably still has the ability to pressure and land the left hook. We'd find out in a hurry if Norton could hip it, but I suspect not.

 

Frazier wasn't in shape in his first two title defenses vs weak opposition either.


Frazier never fought punchers like Liston, Shavers, Norton, Lyle, etc... Any one of them would have enhanced or taken away from his legacy. We'll never know.


I like Norton here in 1976. 1974 is a toss up for me

 

I'd go with Frazier, who by all accounts got by far the better of their sparring and hence everything aside has a crucial psychological advantage. there maybe a gap post Manila where Norton overtakes him though

Lyle and Norton weren't that big punchers, Ali may well have been a better puncher than either of them, he certainly has the better KO wins. Liston was past it when Frazier moved up to be a major contender. Frazier battered the man who ko'd Shavers in 1 round.

Yet you, Captain Agenda, constantly allude that he avoided them to elevate your aryan favorites