Marquez will never be able to get his revenge on Pac ...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by fitzgeraldz, Aug 20, 2009.


  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    The reason why is because they are so close to each other in ability, but in certain circumstances Pac has the clear edge, thats why the fights are so close but come in favor of Pac.

    The results in a 3rd fight will not be any different than the first two, entertaining yes, but also full of controversay.

    Marquez has the edge in technical ability but Pac has the edge on speed, size, and power ... and for that he will always come out on top against Marquez, no matter what Marquez does.

    Pacquiao might not be the better boxer or technician, but he doesn't have to depend on counterpunching, his chin has held up a bit better, and physically is a level above.

    Yeah I think the second fight was close and maybe the edge could've went to Marquez but like the first fight, a knockdown happened and more times than not, that staying clear in the mind during the course of a fight. Especially considering the time of the fight that it happens.

    Thoughts????
     
  2. jianne

    jianne OWNAGE Full Member

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    :good

    I think they are like sniper and a machine gun :lol::patsch
    And love both guys... I'm just hoping to see them fight again.
     
  3. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feel exactly the same. No disrespect to Marquez fans but i already saw all I wanted to see of Pac/Marquez. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't complain about a third bout, they're great fights, but I can't see a point to it other than milking a past rivalry. I'd rather see how far Pac can take himself against new challenges.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I think the reason the fights have come out in favor of Pacquiao is because in that second fight, the judges just preferred him. That fight could have gone either way, and so could the first fight, and that is why I have to disagree with you. You speak of a clear edge? I really don't see any.
     
  5. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    I think a 3rd fight depends on what happens in the remainder of '09.
    If they both lose their upcoming fight's, a third fight is a natural fit.
    (Same goes for if they both win)
     
  6. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Pac still hasn't conquered Marquez!

    One draw and one win. A rubber match is inevitable. Especially as Marquez had a shout in both fights.

    There's many new tings to be discovered in a third fight. Since their 2nd fight Marquez has altered his style so he will not be robbed again.

    Of course this will probably see him more open and possibly getting stopped, but Pac hasn't really been hit since he fought Marquez at 130 and Marquez was able to rock him in that fight and has gone on to prove himself near the top of the hypothetical P4P punchers list.

    If they both win; Maximum need for this fight.

    If Marquez loses it would depend on the severity. At his age, losses are not going to be good for his ring wear, mentally or physically.

    If Pac loses and Marquez wins (the most unlikely of all combinations IMO) then again, it would depend on the severity of Pac's loss. A tune-up in the Phillipines against a jobber like Valero would probably do in terms of re-tuning Pac and seeing what he has left, although what will Marquez do???

    I honestly hope they both win so the most important match in boxing can be made-Pac vs Marquez 3 at 140.
     
  7. Blue_Ray

    Blue_Ray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A brutal beating on Marquez by Floyd will diminish the chances of a rematch.
     
  8. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    :D Nice shot!!
     
  9. Blue_Ray

    Blue_Ray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Unless Marquez can avoid a KD, he could not win against Pac.
     
  10. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    False. Marquez had Pac badly wobbled and stunned a couple other times in that fight, if that happenes when he is in position to finish then Pac is in big trouble.
     
  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Again, I disagree. Many fighters throughout recent history have won fights despite suffering a knockdown. There isn't a rule in place specially for Pacquiao that says he wins a fight by default if he managed to to send his opponent down to the canvas. Or, how the disgusting *******s like to phrase it, "Send JMM kissing the canvas".

    Marco Antonio Barrera suffered a knockdown in his win over Mckinney, Mckinney defeated Junior Jones despite being knocked down himself. Likewise, Muhammad Ali was sent crashing by Journeyman Chuck Wepner, and Foreman was famously send to the ground by hard hitting Lyle, but still managed to win the fight. I think you get my point.

    The argument that Manny deserved to win the fight because he knocked Marquez down is absolutely ridiculous. That said, it sure helped his cause.

    Juan Manuel Marquez can either win the fight by stoppage, or he can fight on even terms just as he did in the previous two fights and hope that, this time, maybe for the first time and last time, the three judges favor his precise counter-punching.
     
  12. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Marquez is still the linear lightweight champion and i'm sure a loss would not hurt Marquez, there is plenty of competition in that division and he can still make big fights.

    I'm not going to say that the fight will never happen, but i'm pretty sure that the same result will happen if they ever fight again.

    It didn't matter if the judges favored him, it was a matter of the knockdown ... you can't come back and win a fight off three knockdowns ... no matter what, unless you scored a knockout in your defense. No matter what you do in the fight (other than the KO) you can't erase the thought of those three knockdowns out of anyones head.

    Given the late rally by Pac in the second fight really diminished all the good work that Marquez did in the first half of the fight and add a knockdown ... shhh ... man there really isn't more that Marquez can do - unless he knocks Pac out and thats not going to happen.
     
  13. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here are the haters' scenarios:

    1. Pac beats Cotto, JMM beats Floyd.

    If Pac destroys JMM after, the haters will say JMM was fighting a bigger man 2 weights above his regular weight (even though the same argument can be made for Pac against DLH, Hatton, and Cotto)

    2. Pac beats Cotto, Floyd beats JMM.

    If Pac can't secure a fight with Floyd because of promoter issues, etc., and takes on JMM instead, destroying him in the process, the haters will say JMM was shot and Pac was fighting a "former shell of him."

    3. Cotto beats Pac, Floyd beats JMM.

    If Pac fights JMM, both of whom are coming off losses, haters will again use the argument that the Floyd fight took too much out of JMM and that Pac was picking on a shot fighter.

    You haters are funny. Sad, but funny. Regardless of what happens though, it must kill you inside that Manny Pacquiao has destroyed a lot of your favorite fighters despite moving up in weight and being "one-dimensional."

    6-weight champ
    4-weight lineal champ

    No matter what happens from here on out, that's on his resume!
     
  14. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I agree but he stopped doing what got him to that point ... he stopped going to the body, his production went down, and he started throwing wide punches - which led to the knockdown in the second fight. Pac's punch output increased and he was coming forward alot more - just based on the fact that he got desperate gave him the edge in my eyes. I thought that Marquez won but after watching the fight over again, it was obvious that the knockdown and the late rally won the fight for Pacquiao.
     
  15. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who's hating?

    Why do Pac fans consistently refer to ANY discussion on JMM and Pac as "hating"?

    Anyways I can say that if they had a 3rd fight JMM would get the decision. It'd be another CLOSE contested fight but JMM is due for a little luck from the judges.