Right, so even though Pavlik ASKED for Williams and FORCED Dunkin to make sacrifices in Team Pavlik/Top Rank's cut to make the fight, he's holdling the belts hostage and running away from real competition? If it weren't for him, we wouldn't even be talking about the fight. Let me remind you: the only fights Pavlik has chosen - i.e. haven't been mandatories or contractually obligated rematches - have been Bernard Hopkins and Paul Williams. But yeah, I guess he's just running scared! atsch
I don't think much of this is particularly relevant. I can understand that Dirrell is perhaps too indisciplined to tango effectively in this fight, and might not be able to last down the stretch. But I think he's fast enough and has good enough movement to stay away from Froch and tag him without being exposed to danger. Importantly, Froch doesn't walk people down the way you seem to think he does; he is a pressure fighter, but only really because of his strength and chin. I don't think Dirrell would have much trouble effectively getting on his bike, especially with Froch's cumbersome and wide footwork. Power doesn't mean anything if you can't land a punch, and I can't see Froch landing too much if Dirrell boxes and moves intelligently. Theree are uncertainties: we don't know how Dirrell will choose to fight; we don't know if he won't fade down the strech; we don't know about his chin. But I'm leaning towards a Dirrell UD. (That said, the possibility of a hometown decision is distinct, considering the shamefully wide margins of scoring for Froch vs. Pascal, which I had even).
Theree are uncertainties: we don't know how Dirrell will choose to fight; we don't know if he won't fade down the strech; we don't know about his chin. But I'm leaning towards a Dirrell UD. (That said, the possibility of a hometown decision is distinct, considering the shamefully wide margins of scoring for Froch vs. Pascal, which I had even).[/quote] Whaaaaaaaatttttttt? I had Froch in front by 4. I know some people had it as close as two, but I can't remember seeing anyone else claim that Pascal deserved a draw!!!
Notice I never said HE "ducked" anyone (revering rather to his advisors and camp) I said there's a "problem". If you believe he had to cancel two fights based upon the same exact injury "God Bless U" lol I'm just trying tell you what I've heard. So you're gonna make concessions for Pavlik on StaphGate 1 (escape from King AA) and StaphGate 2 (camp scared of this phenom growing into 160 and was gonna make "1-2-reset-repeat" look foolish). Follow this story back to Pavlik getting 100 alleged stitches from a broken window and u got the answer: Parental Ransom. lets tell it like it is anyway, **** what happened before the negotiations, the fact remains Pavlik/his team is either A) Scared to take another L B) Can't make weight at 160 no more OR C) Actually had the same Staphylococcus aureus infection on the same hand.....which is possible. BUT thats not some light **** that just pops up in ...say a day berfore a fights announced. That **** would have been spotted and had Kelly SO ****ED up the match wouldn't have even gotten to negotiation stages.... point blank I aint buying it. btw Until these fights are actually taking place ( wake me) once again the fans are the one's taking a "L"! like I said A hot fall is now looking a little less hotter. looks like i'm not the only one asking questions of Pavlik http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4412339&name=rafael_dan
Whats not relevent? the fact that Dirrell circles into powershots? the fact that he can't keep distance? the fact he hasn't sniffed this level? the fact he has more ifs then Froch? the fact that he switch hits ineffectively? the fact that he squares up? the fact that he has a somewhat stationary head? the fact that he's a sucker for a right cross? (froch's best punch) look like you're not a sticker for analysis, intangibles and imponderablesatsch Froch vs Pascal "hometown decision"? GTFOH
away from this fight for a sec. paulie vs Diaz, who yall got? this is gonna be a pillow fight, with diaz winning a clear decision, one thing is guarenteed paulie will blame his hand and his trainer after the fight. hes got a new trainer right? I think Mcgirt was treated badly. Buddy is a damn good Trainer....not his fault Paullie wanted to circle into ricky's power hand. All you can do is train hard and give your fighter the best advice...which is what Buddy did. Buddy is an excellent trainer and actually foresaw PM getting walked and stalked down like Cotto and eventually Ricky I remember Buddy talking about his concern on Paulie's discipline/lack of to keep angles but circle drifts into the cross hairs; something a pillow puncher can't do unless you can squat on the toilet for 36 mins a la Pea. Buddy showed his worth by making Tarver way more competitive in Dawson II after Tarver's people begged him back. many people have trashed Buddy but its absurd, he gave Paulie the best advice and thats all you can ask of him, he worked wonders with gatti and its really the fighters who mostly make the trainers, if you train garbage you get garbage results. Paulie should just retire.
I'm going for Diaz wide UD. He will over whelm Paulie and out huslte and out work him. Motivation is there where as with Paulie it starting to ebb away. I see a good fight but i see Juan getting a much needed confidence boost. I agree with you on Buddy...people like to ridicule people when times are hard. Few years back people liked him...now he's a joke. I must say i do laugh at stuff he says but as a trainer and a man he's top class.
Diaz should stop Paulie if he's still got the fighting heart in him after two bad losses. He's not a puncher, he barks too much, but with the pace he sets he should be able to break down a guy that by his own admission only fights for money, and really has nothing except a pitty pat left jab to deter him. Paulie should be made for Diaz to look hot.
Mandanda, The BODY JABS ARE BACK!! lol triple lead rights! hooking back counters! 6 inch combos! shoulder rolls! check hooks! catching shots! best ring IQ in the game!....you know who i'm talking about. I can't wait for this fight....seems like we've been waiting for a blockbuster for ages, this lull is killing me. Floyd does everything marquez does but 10 times better. I like JMM but he was given nightmeres by pillowed fisted, come straight ahead Diaz. it's gonna be good to see the real sweet science back on display though, i've had enough of these one dimentional fighters. btw call me crazy, but i've got Valuev ruining David Haye's get rich quick heavyweight scheme.
If Dirrells stuff on youtube is anything to go by, Froch is going to muller him. How people talked on here it was as if he was the second coming of RJJ, speed, movement, switch hitter..........this is it boys!!!! Speed wise he not as quick as Taylor or Pascal, Movement wasn't really anything to write home about and as far as switch hitting goes he didn't really use it affectively for me....he sort of just changed stances. His head was pretty stationary as well, which will get knocked off if he doesn't move it a bit more. He has a nice jab (nice triple against that Hanshaw bloke) though he doesn't seem to use as often as he should. I can't help feeling he's in trouble. Froch stoppage.
Slip couldn't agree more cannot wait to see Money back doing what he does best. I do see a good fight though and i do feel Juan will bring a plan and he will test Floyd. There's plenty of questions Floyd will have to answer come fight night and i cannot wait. I like both guys so i'm going to sit back and enjoy. I watched Haye-Barrett the other day so i could analyze the Valuev fight. He has the tools to dismantle and hurt and bewilder Valuev...my worry is he slips and unleashes some devastating shots and can look unreal for a big guy then he goes and leaves himself open and fires away recklessly and that worries me in this fight...also he gets tired and loses his head for split second and against a big man like Valuev he has to be on guard at all time. I see David winning and he can look devastating and has some fantastic tools to bring to heavyweight scene but he needs to have some caution about his work come November. I'm going with Haye stopping Valuev late on. I see Haye hitting Valuev and moving and he wins rounds but there will be tension as fight drifts on. I think Valuev could go down and end up getting stopped or pulled out. But i wouldn't put my house on it because i'm always on edge with Haye.
^ I hope Haye wins and he probabily will, but you're right anything could happen with haye and with his recklessness, i just get this feeling of him trying too hard to KO or overly impress and getting aired out... what do you think of this Hopkins/Jones saga? have you heard the re-run of their classic "60, 40 i whoop yo ass" interview? Roy offered a fight to Bernard with the winner taking 60 and the loser getting 40 and Hopkins refused. He then offered winner take all and BHop hung up.... I wonna see this rematch finally happen. I get the feeling the stars are aligning for Bernard/Roy to get it at Cruiserweight once Roy gets the IBO strap from Green down under. But that means Hopkins will have to get leverage which forces GBP to stop undercutting Adamek with $400k and offer something like $1.5m. Hopkins then gets the green belt and can fight Roy for his IBO strap by the spring 2010. In a perfect world this would be the modus operandi for Hopkins to not have Roy stealing kisses on yet another dance north to cruiser/hw. It's now on GBP's greedy ass banker to come correct. Roy is definitely not an idiot either. He's seen Hopkins destroy Tarver at 175 and perform a hell of a lot better vs Joe Calzaghe at 175 then Roy did. But Roy has felt what it's like to taste 200 and a lot of his bullsh*t tactics actually work at a higher weight. If this CW swan song showdown would happen with Hopkins at 195 to 200, I'm not writing RJJ off in this one. I think this extra weight plays right into Roy's hands and evens the playing field from what would've been a mismatch in favour of Hopkins at 170/175. I think some people get it wrong, Hopkins is the one who negotiated his way out of a fight. Why would Roy split 50/50 when he was P4P King and he'd already beat the dude?? I understood Hopkins thinking and not wanting to take the 40% because Hopkins had just finished being the last man standing from the middleweight tourney in 2000/2001 where he capped it off by beating an undefeated Trinidad. Hopkins then had at least 15-18 title defenses at 160 and was bringing that lineal resume up 15 pounds vs. Roy. Hopkins felt this track record and the risk of a 15 lb size increase warranted a 50/50 purse upfront where Roy could then squeeze a little higher on ppv backend. But Roy was The Man at the time and Bernard had that 1 significant win. Like Paul Williams, you gotta make certain concessions to be a star. 60/40 against Roy was a damn good deal at the time, considering what other opponents were getting against Roy. I think Bernard has let his ego get in the way of this rematch happening. Like I said 60/40 split was a damn good deal for Hopkins at the time. This was also the time when Hopkins wasn't playing by traditional promoter rules so there was definitely an ego trip going on. How likely would Hopkins have even wanted to venture away from 160 because he had 20+ defenses dead in his scope for legacy purposes. It wasn't until two questionable scorecard losses which got Hopkins north to 175 anyway so was he really that hot to trot on RJJ? ijdk.