Who ranks higher in your middleweight list(160 only)? Trinidad or Joppy?

Who the hell is comparing Joppy to Hagler? :huh

Again, this isnt about the manner of victory, its the fact that one victory doesnt make a career. Does Paul Williams rank above Verno Phillips all time at JMW??? No, because Phillips achieved more and accomplished more...just on merit alone. The fact that Williams is a better fighter than him is clear, even in his absolute prime doesnt matter, as most of Williams career achievements were at 147.

Again, stop with the Joppy - Hagler comparisons...its not warrented, nor was it even hinted at by me. What was mentioned was the Hagler lost to Leonard, but is still the higher ranked MW, due to the fact that he did more at that weight (how much more is not relevant). Take the names out of it.

3 time WBA MW champion. 8 career title defenses. Career record at 160 = 27-4-1 with wins over Cherifi, Eastman, Duran, Green x2, Reid, etc.

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WBA MW Champion. Zero title defense. Career record at 160 = 3-2 with wins over Cherifi, Joppy and Mayorga.

Again, it takes more than just one h2h win to surpass a fighter who has a good career that said weight. This doesnt mean that Joppy is even within 200 places of him all time (probably a hell of alot further than that)...what it means is he is the more accomplished MW...has the better MW record...and has more quality MW wins. He is the higher ranked MW...but definately not the higher ranked fighter.

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Tito, it's a no-brainer.

 

READ...YOUR...POST...AGAIN

YOU compared the situations supplementing Hagler for Joppy and Leonard for Tito.

You wrote it..its right there.

When the truth of the matter is the situations are not comparable as I pointed out.

Joppy's achievements were fairly average anyway..So a few decent scalps from Tito would have given him a clear edge..Leonard only just beating a past-peak Hagler is not going to surpass the collection of solid wins over good, very good and at times great fighters Hagler beat.

Of course it is...What you base all your rankings just on the written result?
How a fighter beats his best opponants plays a very important role in where you rank him.
Leonard didnt distinguish himself from a past-peak Hagler..Tito absolutely smashed a prime Joppy..stop having a cry about the Joppy-Hagler comparisons YOU brought them up to illustrate your point.

Again you are clutching at straws with your examples...Verno is nearly 40 and obviously not the fighter he once was..despite the fact he held the title.
Joppy was not at the tail end of his career..he was in the prime of it and as I said he put on two of his best performances not long before and after the Tito bout.

The names are most important part about it though...Would you rank Carlos Baldomir over Roberto Duran at welterweight just because "he had more fights there"?
Of course not because Duran beating Palomino and the 2nd greatest welterweight ever trumps ANYTHING Baldomir did at the weight by some margin..Even though he squeezed it all into less then 2 years campaigning there and had less fights at the weight.

Same goes for Tito and Joppy...Joppy beating a fairly average crop of fighters does not mean he is leaps and bounds ahead of Tito.
Joppy distinguished himself as better then those fighters at the weight...Tito distinguished himself as better then Joppy at the weight (and beat one of Joppy's victims to boot).

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Im not even try to argue that Tito is a greater middleweight..Never once said that.

Im just saying there is an argument if you put greater emphasis on a certain criteria and thats up to personal opinion.
Obviously you put a great emphasis on quantity rather then quality and if thats your bag..fine..Its sometimes is mine aswell. But there isnt a blanket way of determining this..sometimes it DOES only take one good win if that win is significantly better then all the others in question.

Oh Zing :roll:....Thats ****en rich..your the one who wrote the post but you are trying to pretend now you werent making a comparison, when its there to be seen by all.

 

Nothing can ever erase from my mind the look on Joppy's face when he was hit by Tito's left. I don't care if Joppy tried more in the middleweight division. I don't care. Tito had him all over the place. even though Joppy obviously"TRIED MORE" -- SO HE DID MORE BY DEFAULT OF BEING A NATURAL MIDDLE -- he should get this, but seriously I just can't rank Joppy higher because of how bad he got beat up by tito. I would feel bad if I did. It was amazing. Had Hop's not been there, Trinidad would've been champ, until Winky or some great boxer exposed him.

 

So now you reveal you're agenda. You want to make an argument for Pac being a better 140 fighter than Hatton.

 

Have you ever considered just being a fan of boxing as opposed to a fan of one fighter?

 

Absolutely nothing more needs adding after this.

I'm guessing that Asero is trying to say that Pac is a greater 140 fighter than Hatton, I hate Hatton but comparing Joppy and Hatton is an
insult to Hatton quite frankly.

The theory that beating another man makes you better in ATG standings
and particularly as a greater fighter in a division is ridiculous!!!

 

And this was prime Hatton!?!?!?!

 

Out of interest Asero, do you rank Bowe higher than Holyfield at HW?? After all, Bowe went 2-1 against a prime Holy??
P.S If your answer is yes, you should probably stop watching boxing.