Does Riddick Bowe fit in amongst the top 20 ATG'S?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by US_FightFan, Aug 21, 2009.

Page 2 of 6
  1. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    6,919
    Likes Received:
    10
    Pfff man, thats a stretch , outsized Holyfield and ran away from Lennox , not the makings of a top twenty Heavyweight. A great talent at his best though
     
    Govanmauler, Aug 21, 2009
    #16
  2. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    6,919
    Likes Received:
    10

    I know you weren't asking me but Ali called Patterson the most skillfull fighter he ever faced. Pattrerson just got unlucky that a man with such a fragile psyche had to run into Sonny Liston.
     
    Govanmauler, Aug 21, 2009
    #17
  3. US_FightFan

    US_FightFan Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2009
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is kinda the arguement I'm trying to make I guess...If you're gonna rank Evander Holyfield in the Top 20 ..how can you not Rank a guy who defeated him twice..and keep in mind these were fights before Holyfield went on and defeated Mike Tyson Twice.
     
    US_FightFan, Aug 21, 2009
    #18
  4. Wiesiek

    Wiesiek Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2009
    Messages:
    2,454
    Likes Received:
    0
    Mike tyson at 08 and higher than Holyfield?:nut i smell something irrational over here , ur list looks more appreciating talent than resume but then why put wlad over vitali, i cant explain it to myself , could u do it for me?
     
    Wiesiek, Aug 21, 2009
    #19
  5. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    6,919
    Likes Received:
    10

    Ken Norton beat Ali but you dont see him there do you ?
     
    Govanmauler, Aug 21, 2009
    #20
  6. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2004
    Messages:
    36,437
    Likes Received:
    20,984
    I see Bowe as at his best one of the better heavyweights I have seen to tell you the truth..Very good inside technician for a man of his size.

    He was the first to beat Holy(and first to stop him aswell), Hide, Gonzalez and Donald...and had a fair few solid wins until he pretty much gave up on himself and ate his career away.

    Top 20? Probably not but when you average everything out, he is probably not to far out of it.
     
    WhataRock, Aug 21, 2009
    #21
  7. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2007
    Messages:
    2,377
    Likes Received:
    20
    I would place Bowe below James Buster Douglas

    If you regard between 88 and 90 as Douglas's prime [A Longer prime than Bowes] he beat a former world Champion a future world Champion and the current World champion!



    .
     
    crippet, Aug 21, 2009
    #22
  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2005
    Messages:
    32,032
    Likes Received:
    3,336
    Lewis is grossly overrated by many on this forum.
     
    Zakman, Aug 21, 2009
    #23
  9. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2007
    Messages:
    2,377
    Likes Received:
    20
    Whichever position Lewis appears in an ATG list - Bowe should be more than 30 places below him
     
    crippet, Aug 21, 2009
    #24
  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2005
    Messages:
    32,032
    Likes Received:
    3,336
    I wouldn't go that far. He's higher, but not as much as some seem to put him, and certainly not as much as that. You never saw Riddick Bowe taken out early by second rate fighters when he held the title.:-(

    Oh, and Riddick Bowe fought a PRIME Evander Holyfield, not one on the downside!!

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Dempsey
    4. Foreman
    5. Holmes
    6. Marciano
    7. Holyfield
    8. Johnson
    9. Liston
    10. Frazier
    11. Tyson
    12. Jeffries
    13. Lewis
    14. Walcott
    15. Charles
    16. Bowe
    17. Schmeling
    18. Tunney
    19. Corbett
    20. Baer
     
    Zakman, Aug 21, 2009
    #25
  11. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2007
    Messages:
    27,342
    Likes Received:
    10,131
    Talent wise yes but he really should have achieved more. We will never know for sure who would have won between him and Lewis but I think skills wise he may have been more gifted whereas Lewis was probably physically stronger.
     
    African Cobra, Aug 21, 2009
    #26
  12. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    4,063
    Likes Received:
    5
    Im not sure about that. No way is Lewis at 13 even if he ran over you child thats low.
     
    essexboy, Aug 21, 2009
    #27
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2007
    Messages:
    114,654
    Likes Received:
    51,446

    No problem.

    Patterson is undefeated at HW for a seven year spell. He's the first man to ever reclaim the title, and was the youngest man ever to win it. Between 1955 and 1967 he is only beaten by guys who are in my top 5 for a total of 3 losses. He was nip and tuck with Jerry Quarry in that year, proving that he was still competitive at the very top sixteen years as a proffessional. His wider resume includes Archie Moore (top 50 HW) Johansson twice (Top 40 HW) as well as top line guys like Machen and Chuvalo.

    He's got a beautiful skillset and head to head does well for me against the smaller HW's, and though Bowe should be favoured over him, I doubt he should be ranked above him.
     
    McGrain, Aug 21, 2009
    #28
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2006
    Messages:
    404,288
    Likes Received:
    86,365
    You know who you're talking to, right? :lol:
     
    IntentionalButt, Aug 21, 2009
    #29
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2007
    Messages:
    114,654
    Likes Received:
    51,446

    These two posts are in the same pod.

    You rate fight on wider achievement and resume as well as on skilset and ability. You can't rate fighters off "who beat who". It's normal to see Holyfield ranked above Bowe and Tyson ranked above Holyfield for this very reason, there's nothing irrational about it at all.
     
    McGrain, Aug 21, 2009
    #30
Page 2 of 6