Who Has The Better Legacy: Roy Jones Jr Or Bernard Hopkins?

This is a very good post. The only thing you didn't cover, which is something often thrown at Hopkins, is that he made his name against a lot of smaller men. What would your response to that be?

 

Oh please. One can argue that two of RJ's top wins surpasses anything on Hopkin's resume and that's his win over Toney and Hopkins.

Titles at 160, 168, 175 and 200+.

They are very close.

 

That Tito looked beyond like a beast at MW, vs. Joppy, and skills beat down Tito, Winky and the BIGGER Pavlik, not physical abilities. DLH was much smaller obviously, no doubt. But here's the Bernard Hopkins kind of mindf*ck: BHop made 156 pounds for this fight. 2 more pounds and Hopkins could've fought for the LMW championship.

It doesn't have and effect on the resume stat, but Tito/Don King, DLH/Arum, and Pavlik/Arum actually picked to fight Hopkins and not the other way around, Bernard fought them at their backyard and all of them had the hometown and age advantage. The 3 fighters actually Hopkins picked were Jermain Taylor (the no#1 boxing prospect at any division at the time), Winky (P4P#2, obviously smaller and at a weight disadvantage at 170) and Tarver (a P4P-er, fighting 2 division higher than Hopkins at the time). Tarver, Calzaghe, Tito and Pavlik were supposed to chop down Hopkins, yet the old fox dominated 3 and made a close fight vs. the 4th.

He had a 17 years age deficit vs. Pavlik. When did actually an old Roy beat elite youngsters?

 

Roy jones, hopkins greatest wins at 160 were against guys moving up. His greatest wins outside of 160 were against guys moving up(outside of Tarver). Roy beat a prime James Toney who arguably schools everyone on Hopkins resume. And had Roy stayed at 160, Hopkins has no legacy IMO.

 

:good

 

How sad must people be to do this?

Not all of us. I came to the US to see Hopkins v Pavlik.:good

 

I would say that this is a very biased post.

 

Im from the UK I voted Hopkins.

 

Jones, but with an Adamek win that puts the edge to Bernard IMO.

 

you claim Jones never won the linear 175lb championship, then in your next paragraph claim Hopkins won it, seemingly not aware it was the exact same bs title they held @175.

 

If Hopkins can add one more great victory to his record, perhaps a world title at crusierweight, then I'd go with Hopkins for certain.

As things are, I'd still go with Hopkins, but not by much. The two brutal KO losses on Jones' record harm his legacy, IMO. Especially when one of them came against a guy Hopkins schooled (Tarver).

 

Very concievable and makes sense, that would give B-Hop his second lineal title(at 175 he had Ring but that wasnt defined as the lineal title by various bodies such as CBZ) and Roy has none(Although Ring at 175 but wasnt lineal for the same reason - by means of Dariusz).