Please Participate--All-Time Light Heavyweight Poll (POLL CLOSED)

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You can see how overwhelmingly the forum reagards him as the #1 though.
     
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  2. Mendoza

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    I know that. But I wonder how honest the forum is with the voting. Favoritism should never trump objective reasoning.

    For example, would you pick Jack Johnson to defeat Liston, Holmes, and Lewis? I think most people would have Johnson with a losing record vs these three, yet Johnson very close to these three in the poll who was the 3rd best heavyweight.

    Do the 18 voters who picked Johnson #3 really beleive this, or are they just voting becasue they like him / dislike the others? I tend to prefer the public polls here so you who voted for who. IMO, these polls are a bit more honest.
     
    Mendoza, Aug 22, 2009
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    At the risk of sounding brusque, if you genuinely believe that bias infects this forum to such an overwhelming degree - and we have Charles by an absolute landslide - why do you post here? I think this forum is wonderfully free of bias in general and people tend to see quite clearly.

    On a personal note, I feel we have the right #1 and I feel the margin of voting is reflective of his excellence at the weight.

    The poll doesn't ask for a top 10 head to head, rather a top ten described by a poster's own criteria.

    ...this IS a public poll. The one that has described Charles as #1 at 175. So was the one that described Johnson at #6 at HW.
     
    McGrain, Aug 22, 2009
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I wasn't talking about Charles here. The quote was related to Johnson. The forum offers too much to ignore bias. Do you really think the forum is wonderfully free of bias? I can't say I agree with you. Bais and double standards are part of the forum. I suppose every web forum more or less experienced the same.

    I have no problem at all with Charles being #1 at light heavy. I just think Tunney, Langford and Fitzsimmons would beat him.
     
    Mendoza, Aug 22, 2009
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  5. McGrain

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    I think there are many posters who are interested primarily in the truth. I think the guys who are biased stick out conspicuously.
     
    McGrain, Aug 22, 2009
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  6. Hexus

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    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Archie Moore
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. Michael Spinks
    5. Billy Conn
    6. Bob Foster
    7. Harry Greb
    8. Tommy Loughran
    9. Sam Langford
    10. Roy Jones Jr.
     
    Hexus, Aug 23, 2009
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  7. mcvey

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    SO DO I :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:.

    Poor old Jack gets it in the neck again :patsch
    I wonder if the forum would have been accused of being biased if Jeffries had done better in the poll?:rofl
     
    mcvey, Aug 23, 2009
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  8. mcvey

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    I would have several of these in different places, but all in all they are the ten I would pick,so ,I think thats all anyone can ask.
    It sems a shame Johnson and Lewis ,and maybe Delaney could not make the cut,but I wouldnt leave anyone out to make room for them so I am very content. A good job done by Rumsfeld.:good
     
    mcvey, Aug 23, 2009
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  9. Unforgiven

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    There is no truth with these lists. Just opinion.
     
    Unforgiven, Aug 23, 2009
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  10. McGrain

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    In this case I would argue that poster's tend to submit lists that they believe reflect the truth rather than lists that reflect personal bias.
     
    McGrain, Aug 23, 2009
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  11. frankenfrank

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    How did you put Moore before Charles ? Charles KO'd Moore and twice beaten burley who beat moore and better success at hw and managed to go the distance against a fresher marciano , took the title from joe luis while moore was struggling with the likes of burley , maxim (whom charles beat so many time) , etc.
    putting bob foster and not doug jones ? jones stopped foster and unlike him went the distance (should at least got a draw if not a win) agaist ali who KO'd foster.
    Langford should be higher , Greb and Tunney are somewhat in place.
    and the rest in your list are also more than debatable - you forgot :
    qawi , tarver , soon (2-3 years from now) it probably be dawson , william lawrence stribling ?
     
    frankenfrank, Aug 23, 2009
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  12. janitor

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    This result surpried me the most.

    Why all the love for Jimmy Slatterey.
     
    janitor, Aug 23, 2009
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    Guys, I am going to try and finalize this tonight.

    As soon as I do, I will post the Middleweight Survey.

    :smoke
     
    Rumsfeld, Aug 25, 2009
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  14. Rumsfeld

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    I take it you do not like my list?

    :lol:
     
    Rumsfeld, Aug 25, 2009
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  15. Rumsfeld

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    ESB CLASSIC FORUM FINAL LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT RANKINGS:

    1. 971 Ezzard Charles (30)
    2. 652 Archie Moore (4)
    3. 557 Gene Tunney (8 )
    4. 452 Sam Langford (4)
    5. 328 Michael Spinks (1)
    6. 288 Bob Foster
    7. 181 Harry Greb
    8. 148 Billy Conn
    9. 140 Tommy Loughran
    10. 81 Bob Fitzsimmons
    11. 79 Roy Jones Jr
    12. 50 Harold Johnson
    13. 15 Jimmy Slattery
    14. 10 Saad Muhammad
    15. 7 Victor Galindez
    16. 6 Jack Dillon
    17. 5 Jack O'Brian
    17. 5 John Henry Lewis
    19. 4 Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
    19. 4 Dwight Qawi
    21. 3 Jimmy Bivins
    21. 3 Tommy Gibbons
    21. 3 Maxie Rosenbloom
    24. 1 Donny Lalonde
    24. 1 George Carpentier
    24. 1 Henry Maske

    Here is the distribution of votes.
    TOTAL LISTS - NAME - (TOTAL-1st-2nd-3rd-4-5-6-7-8-9-10)

    1 Ezzard Charles (47 30 9 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 0)
    2 Archie Moore (47 4 24 10 5 1 2 1 0 0 0)
    3 Gene Tunney (47 8 6 6 11 5 5 3 2 1 0)
    4 Sam Langford (44 4 3 14 2 10 2 4 3 2 0)
    5 Michael Spinks (45 1 1 5 10 7 6 3 6 6 0)
    6 Bob Foster (43 0 1 3 9 10 5 4 6 3 2)
    7 Harry Greb (38 0 0 2 2 7 4 6 6 8 3)
    8 Billy Conn (40 0 0 0 0 2 12 9 7 5 5)
    9 Tommy Loughran (35 0 0 2 3 1 6 2 7 5 9)
    10 Bob Fitzsimmons (13 0 1 1 1 2 0 5 2 1 0)
    11 Roy Jones Jr (22 0 1 0 1 1 2 4 0 7 6)
    12 Harold Johnson (21 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 4 4 8 )
    13 Jimmy Slattery (1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    14 Saad Muhammad (4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0)
    15 Victor Galindez (3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2)
    16 Jack Dillon (4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2)
    17 Jack O'Brian (2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1)
    17 John Henry Lewis (2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1)
    19 Eddie Mustafa Muhammad (1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0)
    19 Dwight Qawi (2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1)
    21 Jimmy Bivins (2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1)
    21 Tommy Gibbons (1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0)
    21 Maxie Rosenbloom (3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3)
    24 Donny Lalonde (1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1)
    24 George Carpentier (1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1)
    24 Henry Maske (1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1)
     
    Rumsfeld, Aug 25, 2009
    Rumsfeld, Aug 25, 2009
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