Better resume: Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Michael Spinks

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  1. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    Asked this in the general forum, but as usual, it turned into a troll fest. Now I'll ask you guys.
     
  2. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    I have to go with Pretty Boy Floyd.
     
  3. CottoDaBodykill

    CottoDaBodykill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    spinks cleaned out one of the better 175 pound divisions in history ..
    wins over undeafeated holmes for the title...

    mayweather beat chico corrales and castilio ..
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Why?

    Floyd Mayweather holds wins over Corrales, Castillo, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. At least two of those wins are circumstantial. Hoya being at the twilight of his career and losing narrowly in a split decision, whereas Ricky Hatton was beaten at 147lb by Luis Collazo, in my estimation. That said, he has a pretty good record, but his skill set demands more of him.

    Michael Spinks, one of the most underrated fighters on ESB, beat the cream of the 175lb division at a time when it was an extremely competitIVE division. Wins over Yaqui Lopez, Muhammad Qawi, Mustafa Muhammad, Marvin Johnson, and then you figure that he was the first man to go up to Heavyweight and defeat the undefeated Larry Holmes. Sure, Holmes was past his best, but he had no business moving up to Heavyweight and beating a fighter of Holmes quality. He did it...outright.

    Michael Spinks for me.
     
  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Spinks
     
  6. kidargentine

    kidargentine Member Full Member

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    Michael Spinks.
     
  7. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

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    Please stop saying that. Spinks is deemed pretty much unbeatable H2H on here except for a fight with Foster, and people are divided over that. His resume, as you pointed out, is a solid one, and everyone recognises that too. I've seen you say that on a thread over in the General, but it's not true.

    Spinks gets his dues on ESB, and rightly so.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Spinks resume has best top wins, Mayweather's has the better depth and longevity
     
  9. kidargentine

    kidargentine Member Full Member

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    Well Mayweather has just about 9 fights more than Spinks. Spinks record looks incredible, small as it is, and the two victories on Larry Holmes is icing on the cake.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Take the Holmes and Qawi wins off his record though and I don't think it looks too special tbh. It was a decent reign but how good was his opposition?
     
  11. kidargentine

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    Holmes and Qawi were his best wins indeed, but he had a few good other ones.

    He TKO'd George Cooney, a hard-hitter and heavily favored in their match. He was also listed in Ring Magazines 100 greatest punchers (in the 50's or 60's i think). Cooney's only lost was to Larry Holmes, in another spectacular fight, and he was in a decline, but an impressive victory nonetheless.

    Not to mention he beat a very underrated and tough Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. You might have a good point, but I still think his wins on Holmes, Qawi, and Cooney are more impressive than Floyd's best victories. Floyd is not done yet, and my opinion of his could change in the near future, but his most notable victory is against the Prime Ricky Hatton. He didn't look very good against an Aging Oscar, and one of the Jose Luis Castillo fights was very close.
     
  12. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well Cooney hadnt beaten anyone decent for 6-7years and went off into the wilderness after the Holmes fight so most don't consider it a big win for him, rightly or wrongly. No way that 1s better than Floyd's best victories though

    I'll examine Floyd's wins:

    G Hernandez - consensus no1 at 130lbs, 1sided domination

    Corrales - considered no1 at 130lbs, 1sided domination. Corrales was really a wrecking force at 130 before Floyd and then went on to beat the very best at 135 in Castillo, Casamayor and Freitas. Corrales also weighed in over the 130lb limit and proceeded to weigh 147lbs on fight night but it still went ahead

    Chavez - no1 contender, practically unbeaten and gave Floyd a toughish fight. Future 2 weight champ

    Manfredy - top 3 130lber fresh off hammering Gatti and effectively taking Autoro's Zero

    C Hernandez - future champ

    Castillo - the best LW from 2000-2006, 1 fight was controversal so rematched and won. Castillo often weighed in at 150-155lbs on fight night so Mayweather gave up allot of strength

    Judah - arranged before Judah lost to Baldomir, at the time Judah had beat and was making P4P lists. Judah was 10-3 in world title fights

    Baldomir - considered a poor win but he was the linear undisputed champion at welterweight and had wins over Judah, Clottey and Gatti

    Gatti - laughed about now but Gatti was a big 140lber that could bang, a 2 weight champ with recent wins over Leija, Ward and Dorin (the latter was probably the best LW that FMJ didnt face)

    Hatton - Tyszu conquorer, unbeaten lineal champion

    DLH - firstly Oscar was an all time great. FMJ went all the way up to 154lbs where DLH will typically weigh around 165 in the ring, Mayweather weighed 148lbs in the ring, so he had a big size disadvantage and was 18lbs north of his best weight. DLH chose the ring/gloves/judges and was only 4 years older

    DLH was past his prime but fresh off destroying Mayorga for the WBC belt who very nearly beat Mosley later.

    I'm considered a Mayweather fanboy on here but I think those wins are underrated with all the Mayweather hating that goes on here
     
  14. cotto20

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    spinks!
     
  15. kidargentine

    kidargentine Member Full Member

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    Well you bring up good arguments. I am by no means a Floyd Hater, in fact i think he's the best boxer right now. However, by resume, I still think Spinks edges him out.