Please Participate--All-Time Middleweight Survey--POLL CLOSED!

ChrisP, your list and mine differ only minimally:
1. Monzon
2. Hagler
3. Greb
4. Robinson
5. Hopkins
6. Walker
7. Fitzsimmons
8. Cerdan
9. Jones
10. Tiger

 

Oh man, I knew this was going to be a hard list to make! Right after ranking guys like Cerdan and Tiger, I'm thinking, how can I exclude the guys who topped them, LaMotta and Griffith, respectively? It seems ridiculous to omit LaMotta and Griffith..what, you say, they had short, relatively inconsequential, abbreviated title reigns? Well so did Robinson, and what about Jones? Sure, a gifted fighter, but who the hell did he beat of any consequence while holding the title? Cerdan had not one successful defense, and Hopkins, in my opinion, while he sure established himself as one of the most seasoned, clever fighters of modern times, fought a long, undistinguished line of nobodys, IMO, with the exception of Trinidad and De la Hoya, and they sure as hell weren't middleweights by any standard, except for merely making the weight for their fights with Hopkins. So I guess a new, revised list is on it's way. This is a great thread, though, by the way, and at first I didn't think anything special about it...."just another list" I thought.

 

Using a combination of head to head and achievements

1. Jones
2. Robinson
3. Hopkins
4. Greb
5. Burley
6. Monzon
7. Holman Williams
8. Tiger
9. Toney
10. M Walker

 

This is more like it, for now anyway:
1. Monzon
2. Hagler
3. Greb
4. Robinson
5. Walker
6. LaMotta
7. Hopkins
8. Griffith
9. Tiger
10. Fitzsimmons

 

I find making a greatest middleweight or welterweight list an almost impossible task if it omits Emile Griffith.

 

1. Greb
2. Robinson
3. Monzon
4. Hagler
5. Hopkins
6. Ketchel
7. Tiger
8. Dempsey
9. LaMotta
10. Flowers

I had a terrily difficult time putting Monzon behind Robinson and not too sure if i should have. LaMotta and Flowers could easily have been in reverse order and/or swapped for the likes of Burley, Walker, Fulmer, even Cerdan, all of whom float around them positions likely for me.

But i'll just stick with my list for you Rummy.

 

And see i don't have Jimmy Bivins or Bob Fitzimmons, **** this ****, i'm not coming back in this thread.

 

I know, i hope he means Ralph 'Tiger' Jones, on the strength of his win over Robinson.

 

I like the high ranking of , are you Burley's no1 fan or is that McVey? I get you Mc's mixed up.

Holman must be the most underrated of all times resume wise LW-LHW, having 188 fights, winning series with Marshall and Burley, 1-1 with Archie Moore, big names like Lytel, Wade, Chase (3times), Booker, taking Lamotta to a controversal SD at the age of 34.

 

Didn't you have Burley about 20 places higher P4P? :huh

 

1. Langford
2. Toney
3. Monzon
4. Hagler
5. Reggie Johnson
6. Robinson
7. Burley
8. Fitzsimmons
9. Valdez
10 . Ketchell