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  1. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1-----Harry Greb
    2-----Carlos Monzon
    3-----Marvin Hagler
    4-----Bernard Hopkins
    5-----Bob Fitzsimmons
    6-----Tommy Ryan
    7-----Teddy Yarosz
    8-----Mickey Walker
    9-----Sugar Ray Robinson
    10----Charley Burley

    What a tough division to rate--probably more talent than any other division.
     
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  2. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wonder how this one will work out. There are some odd picks so far. I thought it was all but impossible to have anyone but Greb as number 1.
     
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  3. Smith

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    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Ray Robinson
    5. Mickey Walker
    6. Tiger Flowers
    7. Charley Burley
    8. Dick Tiger
    9. Emile Griffith
    10. Holman Williams
    I'm not at all happy with that list, I'll revisit it soon, I'm trying to understand why I don't have Hopkins in there.:think I'll have to change it, give me a day.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Horrible to rate this division. Horrible. I wonder how many of your guys Ezzard Charles would beat? Your #10, obviously, I wonder how young Charles would do with Yarosz (interesting mention by the way) or Walker.

    Also, and i'm not critisising because we agree it's horrific, it's intersting that you have space for Walker but not Flowers...Flowers has Greb twice of course, our #1, and seems to have fought at least on even terms with Mickey.
     
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  5. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ezzard Charles won at lightheavy. I just didn't want to speculate on how high he would rate at middle as he was only there for a short time and there are so many others in this division who merit consideration.

    Walker over Flowers--Walker did better over the length of his entire career. Age and a ton of tough fights might have been catching up with Greb by the time he fought Flowers.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well, he weighed 161 and 160 for his fights with Burley, who you rank at ten...I do agree that he's not in the ten, but I think these results show how stacked the division is. Horrible.

    I think Walker above Flowers can be justified, certainly, but I do like the Greb wins, especially the second one. And if he wasn't quite himself for the first one, this is Greb you know?
     
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  7. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    Should I have a place for Fitz and Hopkins? I even wondered about Cerdan. I felt compelled to enter this thread because I truly find it impossible to appease everyone and myself for a MW list, as all you do too.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Forget everyone else buddy, you just got to weigh it as best you can. The easiest way is to do a 15 and then just write up the ten.
     
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  9. Smith

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    I've got about 17 names in front of me, I've left some out that some people could probably find space for at the lower end but I know little of them compared to the others.

    I'm going to mull it over over next few hours at work and come up with my final ten.:good
     
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  10. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Harry Greb
    2. Marvin Hagler
    3. Carlos Monzon
    4. Charley Burley
    5. Ray Robinson
    6. Holman Williams
    7. Joey Giardello
    8. Bernard Hopkins
    9. Mickey Walker
    10. Dick Tiger

    NOTES FROM HELL
    * rankings of MWs since 1920.
    * Greb just took the top spot over Hagler in the last year.
    * I place a premium on challenges and Burley deserves his spot over Ray. Ray had longevity and some solid wins, but the bigger Burley's resume was impressive at MW and he strikes me as more formidable there. Ray had bigger purses but Burley fought more dangerous guys: Champions LaMotta, Basilio, and Fullmer aren't as good in my opinion as guys like Archie Moore and Murderers' Row that Burley was facing down.
    * I love Burley's KO of Turner, Walker's win over Wright, and Hopkins' later wins... these aren't necessary for high placement (see Hagler) but they can boost a guy.
    * Holman deserves his spot. Yep, that high.
    * Griffith bothers me... but he split his accomplishments as a WW.
    * Hopkins bothers me a bit as well, but then Giardello's placement doesn't.
     
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  11. GPater11093

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    1. Hagler
    2. Monzon
    3. Greb
    4. Robinson
    5. Tiger
    6. Hopkins
    7. Walker
    8. Williams
    9. Burley
    10. Lamotta
     
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  12. junior-soprano

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    1 monzon
    2 greb
    3 SRR
    4 hagler
    5 walker
    6 hopkins
    7 tiger
    8 lamotta
    9 ketchel
    10 flowers

    this one was very very very difficult. my top 5 is pretty solid but from 6 to 10 it's pretty close and if i have to do again in say 2 months maybe some persons may change a position
     
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  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Great minds think alike. :good

    Good mention on Griffith, fantastic fighter for sure, and perhaps somewhat under-appreciated.
     
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    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :huh
     
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