sugar ray leonard vs andy price

"Ray's legs were gone"

"His speed, timing and reflexes were diminsihed"

..."He was finished" Boo hoo! :|

is that why he spend 12 rounds in his next fight getting booed by the audience in Uno Mas?

This is nothing more than a case of sour grapes and embarrassment. Let me tell you the real story as told to by Tim Ryan and Steve Farhood BEFORE he was destroyed by Norris

"what an absolutely brilliant performance!"

"Ray Leonard fought the perfect fight"

Quite a differnet story than the one you're giving me

people like you dont know what they're talking about. Either that or you think with your heart rather than your head. Fans do it all the time.

I did it once myself after Benitez-Duran. I was upset over the decision until I realized i was thinking like a boxing fan-with my heart instead of my head.

As for Norris-Leonard, Terry would always be his superior in a head to head like it or not. I base it not only on their actual meeting in which Leonard was unbeaten over 11 years and the aquired 5 championship belts but also the odds favoring him.

i just cant see how 5 championship belts equates to

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You can look at any of Ray's fights at 154, like say the one with Howard. Ray wouldnt have stood a chance that night with Terry and was only 27.

Getting floored like that. had that been Terry in there with him....:vonnecunt

Also based on the Geraldo fight of 79 in which Geraldo had had Ray reeling 3 times. Had that been Norris in there....it would have changed the course of history-Leonard's history

Then there's kalule, a straight ahead stalker without no punch and no movement. he was just a punching bag. I've always said that.

Had that been Norris in there, my man would have given him fits. Believe me, Sugar wouldnt have been so anxious to trade with Terry. :!:

So no matter when or where the fight was held Terry is always going to have his number.

Norris can hurt Ray as we saw in their fight but Ray can't hurt Terry. And Ray can't make Terry stay in front of him either where he can unload on him. it's Terry's game all the way which is what he demonstrated in their fight.

Ray was forced to take the role of aggressor because of TN's ring mobility. As you saw, Terry did not just stay there and take it the way a young Hearns had. He calmly tied him up and then resumed the boxing lesson.

Terry could bang, box, and move--unlike all of Ray's previous opponents.

Sugar had never been in the ring with a multi dimensional fighter as Terry and by the third round he became mentally tight and literally froze up.

Anyways, I have an actual performance to back up my claim while you have?

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Rooster. You need to settle down with all these jokes. ESB Classic's #1 comedian.

 

and they said I was dead. Can't a guy go out for lunch with his Wife and kids?

 

Sounds like Hearns to me. Boxed in the Leonard fight and banged in the Duran
fight.

 

hearns came of age in the Duran fight and was finally carrying his weight well. A rematch with Tommy at this point would have been the ultimate test for Ray, similar to a Louis-Schmeling rematch in which the attitude towards Schmeling was "can he do it again?"

I'm a strong believer in rematches.

 

I honestly stopped reading after you said that Hearns had a fraction of Terry's speed.

How many Tommy Hearns fights have you seen? They didnt call him the Motor City COBRA for nothing. Hearns' hands were fast as ****! Faster than Norris' in fact.

What you're saying is the equalivent of someone saying that Calzaghe was faster than a prime Jones, just because he beat up and was faster than a washed up Jones. Its the same thing.

And just as Jones-Calzaghe woulda been a TOTALLY different fight if it was a prime Roy... Norris-Leonard woulda also been a totally different fight if it was a prime Ray.

 

Yes it's my opinion that Norris was offensively better than Hearns, Duran, Hagler and was more naturally talented overall then those three fighters aswell. And who cares about that first Simon Brown fight, especially given that he won the rematch very easily, by a shutout at that. Gil Clancy always use to say that when Norris was on top of his game he was virtually unbeatable and I happen to agree with him, unless he was up against The Hawk of course.

 

as i said before, leonard temperment as a fighter was better suited against someone he could counter but somewhat poor when it came to taking the role of aggressor. You could see it in the Bonds fight. as the agressor, ray Leonard is ordinary.

one of the few times I saw Ray take it to another man was kalule but he could afford to do that with him because Ayub was nothing to fear. No movement to thwart him or ability to gain respect.

Terry posed a threat in two ways: he was too fast to counter and was an excellent counterpuncher himself.

On top of that, with his sharp punching skills, Ray couldnt get close to him long enough to do any real damage. Not unless he enjoys taking more trips to the canvas.

Like it or not, there is always someone out there who's better than you and Terry Norris was that someone. Ray was brave enough to meet up with him and he paid the price.

 

No sir, Hearns did not have faster hands then Norris, maybe a faster jab but thats about it.

And to parallel the Calzaghe/Jones fight to the Norris/Leonard fight is really clutching for straws. Norris never got knocked down and possibly lost a couple of rounds to Leonard like Calzaghe did to Jones.

 

Come on!! Thats completely irrelevant for the purposes of the comparision though, the (very good) point that was being made is simply that because Fighter A beats an old Fighter B it doesn't mean he'd beat a prime Fighter B.

 

I talked to Andy price about the Leonard fight. Thought his comments might be of interest:

"Most people think because I fought Ray Leonard, and Ray Leonard was a tremendous athlete that he'd be my toughest opponent. My toughest opponent was a kid named Rudy Barro, who broke my undefeated string and stopped me in the second round.

"Because I wasn't a tremendous puncher -- but I knocked out a few guys in a row, and in my mind, I thought I could punch. In the Ray Leonard fight, that really cost me, because I went in to knock Ray out, instead of boxing him. And, I got hurt, and I couldn't finish the fight."

 

Not only that but Tommy was defensively inferior to Norris.

Thomas doesn't know how to tie up. Also, Terry did not give out late as Thomas did. Notice how Terry doesnt wear down late?

On offense Terry can actually lead with a hook the way Roy Jones can lead with his right. But Terry's hook is more effective than Tommy's jab but is much more damaging. That's what's so scary.

These are little things that most people dont see but I thought I should point out to ESB members.

How is anyone going to be able to brace for something so quick as Terry's left hook? You can't. Mugabi couldnt. Leonard couldnt. Gatti couldnt.

So on both offense and defense, TN is more effective than Tommy Hearns. I'd be willing to bet that Terry's left hand will connect faster than Tommy's right hand and more frequent.

Sugar Ray could more lor less ride with Tommy's right hand but couldnt do the same against Terry's left hook.

Add it all up and you can see why fighting Norris is like a journey fraught with peril.

 

Leonard impressed the **** out of me in that fight to tell you the truth.