Please Participate--All-Time Middleweight Survey--POLL CLOSED!

Based on a mixture of ability and accomplishments, not either/or. Thus, if a fighter had a long reign but in reality was just a hack (i.e. Al McCoy), he won't be considered. If a fighter was potentially brilliant at a weight, but either failed to accomplish much or moved away from the weight class, he won't be considered. Here's the new twist, I have to have seen them on film. So, without further ado here's my revised list:

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I need to check out Freddie Steele in greater depth. Nice call on Giardello, I'd forgotten about him. And LaMotta. AND Cerdan.

No Holman Williams?

 

Holy ****... :admin

 

There's no footage available of him to judge.

 

Question?

 

Steele's a nice inclusion but I'm not sold on his opposition. Had he been mixing with Giardello, Tiger and Fullmer (or even Joey Archer, Henry Hank and Tiger Jones, picking up an extra loss here n' there) I don't think his record would look quite as attractive.

 

The same can be said of Hagler or Hopkins. On the average I think Steele faced far better fighters than Hopkins, and just as good as Hagler. And since my criteria also takes ability into account, Steele rates about as highly as any MW I've seen on film. Very precise, calculated boxer-puncher with legit KO power and the best timing of any MW this side of Monzon.

 

Yeah I was thinking of Hagler & Hopkins as I wrote it - but then justified myself by knowing they were better. I don't think Steele was all that. Very good but not quite on the same level.

Second tier with Giardello, LaMotta, Valdez and others.

 

What about Hopkins convinces you that he was first tier? His opposition was **** and he often looked less than stellar against even that caliber of opposition. Steele looks much more impressive blitzing Gus Lesnevitch than Hopkins looks in just about any fight at MW, IMO.

 

Yeah, but Manassa had to call me out on it. For good reason. Discount that first one if you would.

 

Follow a bit more closely next time.

 

1) Harry Greb
2) Sugar Ray Robinson
3) Mickey Walker
4) Carlos Monzon
5) Marvin Hagler
6) Stanley Ketchel
7) Jake Lamotta
8. Joey Giardello
9) Charley Burley
10) Marcel Cerdan

It was tough leaving out Fitz, Hopkins, Ryan,Chonski, Williams, Steele,Tiger,Griff, but we only had 10 picks

 

1. Harry Greb
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Stanley Ketchel
5. Sugar Ray Robinson
6. Bob Fitzsimmons
7. Freddie Steele
8. Dick Tiger
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Jake LaMotta

That was agony, sorry to Marcel Cerdan, Charlie Burley, Mickey Walker, Tiger Flowers, Gene Fullmer, Bobo Olsen, Carmen Basilio, Nino Benvenuti, Emile Griffiths, Joey Giardello, Holman Williams and Mike McCallum who were all considered.