James Toney: None of the Russian chumps who are posing as champions want to fight me

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney - Greek will be televised by Showtime on 12 September 2009.

    Goossen stated that Toney has to deliver at least a couple of good performances to get a title shot next year. Once again, it has been confirmed that Toney has recommited himself to the sport.I expect him to be at a maximium of 220 pounds in his next fight, maybe even less.

    If Toney puts together a few good performances at a low weight, then he can start accusing the Russian of ducking him, now it is too soon IMO.
    It is time for Toney to deliver now, talk is over. First step of the rededicated Toney against journeyman Greek and then he needs to take on againt stonger opponents this year.
     
  2. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can only agree with that. Objectively seen, Toney is not in a position to talk, and to be honest he hasn't been in a long time.

    But you know what? James does what he does, and that's what he always did and what he always gonna do - and we love it and we'll listen to it no matter what, even if we chuckle at it. Sometimes it's hilarious, but more often than not he tells it just how it is. The man knows this game better than everyone, he's seen it all, the heights and the dephts, so he knows what he's talking about. At least he's funny and not as boring as most of the other HWs out there, who have no charism whatsoever. Toney is a real old-schoold fighter, one glimpse at his resume confirms that; he's a legend of this sport and an ATG, so IMHO he can open his mouth as much as he wants, unlike guys like David Haye who do nothing but talk and duck fighters.

    As for his fight on september 12th, I'll just wait and see. I have no hopes whatsoever, so I can't get disappointed. If he's indeed in shape and scores a convincing win, it doesn't even tell much, it doesn't mean anything more than that he can continue and take another fight. He should take one fight at a time, and then take it from there. He shouldn't even think about title-shots or the Klits right now.
     
  3. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    They also don't want to fight Butterbean.
     
  4. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney got outboxed by Sam Peter his chance at the Klits evaporated right there.

    Toney has great skills but his career has been a mess punctuated by occasional gems for a looooong ****ing time
     
  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got outboxed by Peter because he did not train the right way, he did too much muscular training and as a result his usual upper body movement was mostly gone. He also lost to Thadzi, so Toney has showed that he can come back impressively.


    Toney showed what he still can do in the Rahman II fight. I expect him to pull off similar performances in the near future but with less weight. (He weighed 226 for Rahman II).
     
  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i think that the combination of his age , recent performance , fight-wear , and him being so fat and out of his mind wanting to fight such bigger men , should prohibit him from any elite oposition above 200.
    and i also think it would have been for his own benefit if he'd never reached to 200.
     
  7. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hear what you're saying and no-one could ever take away what JT once was but look at his career over the last 6 or 7 years and its none too impressive , the Jirov win was an obvius high point, beating Guinn was good ( although Guinn has turned out to be the American Audley Harrison ) and stomping an autterly shot to **** Holyfield. He has never been a serious threat at HW , sure I can see him making the klits miss but beyond that ?

    ( and thats not even mentioning the roids ! )

    Can you imagine what he could have done if he had shown enough control to stop himself at Light heavy or even cruiser. As much as I repsect Toneys abililty I still have to consider him a man who wasted his talents.
     
  8. lowblow3

    lowblow3 Former Champ Full Member

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    Agreed, Toney has to regain some credibility by delivering a few good performances before starting to complain about the champions. Toney's last performance against Oquendo was pretty much a disaster, so it's up to Toney to prove that age and inactivness haven't gotten the better of him.

    As for the Greek fight, it's good news that it will finally be telivised. The fight in itself will give the public an update about his fitness level and could silence some of his critics once and for all. Providing that "lights out" puts on a good show against Greek, one can only hope that he will be able to land a meaningful fight in the near furure...
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Less chat, more punching please.

    If the current belt holders are terrified to face him...riiight...then fight some other guys and become a mandatory.
     
  10. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if haye beats valuev i would like to see haye vs toney, how much name calling could one fight produce can you imagie the press conference
     
  11. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who the hell is TONEY to criticize anyone in the HW division TODAY? What the hell does this bum think?

    It's funny people still listen to this idiot.
     
  12. mapko

    mapko Member Full Member

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    There is only one Russian chump posing as Champion: Nicolai Valuev. The Klitschko brothers are neither chumps nor Russian. Ukraine just celebrated Independence Day on August 24.
     
  13. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No doubt, he could have done much more if more serious. I agree with you that he won't beat the Klits.

    However, he might still be able to produce an impact in this weak division over the next two years or so. His skills and recommitment make him competitive against the best heavyweights.Like lowblow 3 stated, the Greek fight will give us a confirmation on his fitness level but NOT his skills. Those skills will be tested against tougher opponent but I doubt they have eroded much since Rahman II fight.
     
  14. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Particularly the bit about making the Klits miss - how?? I couldn't make Sam Peter Miss. If he ever fought a Klit he would definately be seeing the canvas!! And probs waking up and asking "what happend" if not then certainly a TKO loss.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I don't know anyone who takes Toney's loud-mouthing seriously but he's fun anyway.