ATG: Who ranks higher? Hearns or Hopkins?

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  1. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    it is ok that hearns got STOPPED 3 times though too
     
  2. Jai C

    Jai C Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins gets my vote. Dominated a division for a long time and has never been stopped. Although Hearns was the first man to win titles in four divisions, the loses to Barkley kinda put a damper on his legacy to me. No shame in losing to Leonard or Hagler but he should have beaten Barkley. I love what he did against Duran though. That was his biggest victory.
     
  3. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep, Tarver looked like **** when Hopkins fought him. He looked like he was still fighting on the set of Rocky. Good win for Hopkins though, I didn't think he would win.

    I don't go in for the Ring Belt much, maybe it's just bias. I don't think having the Ring belt THEN (not when he first won it along with the ABC titles) meant much. Any challengers other than RJJ, Johnson or Hopkins simply didn't get a shot.

    I don't think having the belt then made Tarver any more THE MAN than Vitaly was THE MAN for beating Corrie Sanders, or Shannon Briggs was THE man for winning the linear title.
     
  4. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He disagrees with the "positive spin" on the Hopkins breakdown, so he puts his own wildly negative spin.
     
  5. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Lots of Hopkins' opponents look bad when fighting him. He does it to them with a carefully laid out gameplan. It is no coincidence that fighters complain about "not being able to get their shots of" every time they fight Hopkins.

    2. Then forget the Ring Belt. It is beside the point. Tarver was The Man in the division. Hopkins slaughtered him.
     
  6. si_19

    si_19 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hearns just
     
  7. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    LMAO!

    You say a positive spin on Hopkins for mine and then make one of the more biased posts disparaging him in yours...

    Not even sure if its worth my time to reply to this with some serious intent.
     
  8. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Tommy is, was, and always will be a sentimental favorite. He brought an element of excitement and high drama to the ring that Hopkins never did. On the other hand, I simply cannot imagine Bernard losing one fight to Iran Barkely, let alone two. If you ask me who I prefer to watch, I'll pick Tommy Hearns every time. If you ask me who is greater, I'll say it's damn close.
     
  10. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Gatti was more exciting than 99% of fighters who stepped into the ring, but noone is gonna make the Gatti > Hopkins argument either.

    Wait, let me take that back...this is ESB, that thread could pop up later tonight...

    :lol:

    (I agree tho, it is damn close)
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    It's very difficult for me to be objective about Tommy Hearns. He's a top 5 all time personal favorite just below Arguello and Little Red, and he's been a favorite since the late 70's.
     
  12. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ^^^it's about time to induct little red in the HOF
     
  13. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who did Hearns beat that makes you think Hearns deserves to be ranked higher?
     
  14. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I love Hearns...top ten all time fav for me. I saw earlier in the post you mentioned that you watch that highlight vid religiously...lets just say its been on my favorites for quite a long time on youtube as well.

    :yep
     
  15. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, I had to balance it out a bit... :D

    I'm not disparaging Hopkins at all, I think he's a great fighter. I just think he gets too much credit for his post Taylor career. Taken as a middleweight, he's had a truly fantastic career. Zero arguments from me.

    With the exception of Pavlik, (which was a huge win for him), I don't really think it's been exceptional.

    Look, Tarver may have the lineage (as did Shannon Briggs in heavy), but he was what, 37 or 38 when Hopkins beat him?

    Yes, I know Hopkins is older, but for guys to say that Hearns draw against Leonard was when both guys were 'past prime', but count Hopkins win when the younger guy was about 5 years OLDER than the "past prime" Leonard and Hearns is just crazy.

    Hearns was fighting guys when they were in their 20's and early 30's. Actually in their prime.

    And spanned multiple divisions.