HOW exactly could Marciano beat Tyson?

Well your intialled to your opinion. For me quitting against Lewis would have been simple, take the big first shot and fall something he didnt do. An argument can be made against Williams, but this is a shell of a man that dominated the heavys in the mid 80s.
I have my theorys on Holyfield II which i wrote in another thread. So i guess we gotta agree to disagree lol.

Anyway i see Marciano beating a 90's + Tyson but nothing before.

 

Age makes a coward of any man, he didn't quit against Lewis though, he just didnt have it anymore to get past the jab. Do you consider Ali a quiter too, he asked to be pulled out a few times in his corner too

I can't see any pre-2003 version of Tyson losing to Marciano, I see him blowing out the Rock quite early in a massacre.

Question 1: When has Tyson ever had advantages in reach, height alongside 30lbs in bodyweight?

Question 2: What actual advantage does Marciano have against Tyson, I see none, maybe stamina but so does Henry Armstrong and he isn't doing too well against Tyson either

 

How could Maricano beat Charles, Walcott, Layne, or Moore? All traditionally technical and physically superior fighters. Conditioning, disicpline, mental toughness, and strategy goes a long way.

How could Holyfield beat Tyson?

Tyson is a perfectly reasonable favorite though, that's alot of power and speed for another aggressive fighter to overcome.

If your curious, I'd say the second Charles fight is about as good a guage as your going to get. Charles was coming in near 200 lbs of muscle: fast combos, dangerous left hook, and looking to take Marciano out early. Layne was another strong fighter that came out aggressive, maybe the wild first round of the Walcott fight; who also had a quick left and great uppercuts.

 

simple, he wouldnt. he doesnt have enough raw talent that is comprable to tyson's talent but more importantly, he has the wrong style. you cant get into a punching match with tyspn. you have to outbox him. the only guy who can trade with tyson and win is a prime foreman and even then foreman would be in a struggle.

 

Although this is a tad too simplistic for most people's taste, I have to agree for the most part. There are very few fighters in the sport's history that I would give a chance at beating Tyson in an exhange early, and marciano just isn't one of them.

 

Of course but Tyson had taken a beating in every round prior and rushed out and fought like a champioin should in defending his title. He landed a perfect uppercut that dropped Douglas and quite possibly would of ended the fight had it not been the end of the round.

Tyson came out to win in the 8th and 9th rounds, if he had any major mental weaknesses he would of crumbled.

 

The only chance Marciano has of beating Tyson is to stay very low and accentuate his crouch even more. Tyson's uppercut is probably deadly for Marciano, especially in the early rounds, but if Marciano stays low and counters with hooks and straight rights, he could hurt Tyson early. I think Tyson has a much greater chance at stopping Marciano inside 8 rounds. Mike's got too much speed and power in combination for Marciano, but I wouldn't count the rock out if the bell sounds for round 10 and he's still standing. Tyson does have a tendency to fade late, but his power is still there. Marciano probably takes Tyson out after the 10th round, but I lean more towards Mike stopping Marciano inside 10.

 

if you really analyze tyson, his problem was heart. his main problem was disciplne. once he lost his discpline, poor training habits, lack of defense, head hunting, he became beatable which is why douglas and holy kicked his ass. as for not getting up for kds, this is where you commense sense comes in. how many times did hagler get up from a kd to win a fight, once. and that was actually a push instead of kd. but the point is he didnt have to because he was never on the canvas. tyson had a great chin, but becomeing a one dimensional fighter, he only knew one thing to do, come forward and throw and hope to land. this put him in a position to get punished so badly that late, exhausting koes were inevitable no matter how tough he was.

 

not sure if you're talking about the Douglas fight, but if you are:

1. He did not fight like a champion in that match. He was about as motivated as a kid going to the dentist from round one.

2. He did not win the 9th round. In fact, Douglas had him up against the ropes in that round and was hammering him.

3. The uppercut he landed, which dropped Douglas, was more a result of Douglas's carelessness, than Tyson creating the opportunity.

4. The knockdown controversy was about the claim that there was a long count on the part of referee Octavia Moran, as opposed to Douglas being saved by the bell.

 

I think Tyson would win. But, Rocky's strategy is to maul Tyson. Rocky was one of the few champions who had a reach shorter than Tyson, and his style was closer to Frazier's (Tyson's was closer to Dempsey). He would crowd Tyson, and push him back along the ropes. Tyson is fast on the inside, but for him to punch with power he needs room to throw his punches. Rocky would fight out of his crouch to slip Mike's punches, and then lean on him, leaving Tyson without any room to really twist his hips into the punch.

The key to beating a motivated Tyson is making sure he can't get power on his punches, not necessarily avoiding those punches entirely. You look out for the big bomb, grab him, and push him back against the ropes. Make sure your hands are free and push your head into his chest, and go to work. But, make sure he doesn't have any room to back up. And keep pushing his shoulder in different directions so he can't produce any real power.

 

Tyson early on was going through the motions, but about midway through the fight you can definitely see him wake up and realize he's in for the fight of his life. He came out guns blazing in the 8th and tried again in the 9th but he took too many shots and the beating he had endured was too much. Tyson looked good around the time of the KD, too, he was setting up his punches and realized it was his last hurrah.

Tyson went out like a Heavyweight Champion, unlike Douglas who decided to hand his title to Evander on a silver platter.