HOW exactly could Marciano beat Tyson?

KO in 8. :good

 

By soaking up Tysons best & going to war! If Rocky can withstand The fast, hard punches of Tyson, that is most of the battle. Tyson was no tactician, if he could not overwhelm an opponent, who would cave in or be content to last the distance. Tyson was in trouble. Douglas, Holyfield & Lewis fought back & Tyson tired, and eventually got caught himself.

 

For a usually good poster this is an unusually flawed post.

1. You don't beat Tyson with heart and workrate alone. You need to assert yourself early on and be competitive early on. Nobody has ever beaten Tyson by outlasting him, they've beaten him by dominating the early rounds. Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis were all ahead going into the 4th round of thier respective fights. So if there is a concession that Tyson takes the early rounds there may as well be an concession that Tyson takes the fight.


2. Marciano can be dropped by 1 punch. The same cannot really be said about Tyson. It has happened to the Rock twice in two seperate title fights. Given Tyson's power and more importantly his speed its within reason to expect that Tyson can land at some point quick counter that would drop Marciano.

3. Tyson never got off the floor to win a fight because it took alot more to get him down there in the first place. He's faced some pretty good punchers in his day and he's managed to stay upright against every single puncher save Lewis who at that point was beating up on a past prime stationary target. Most fighters who are able to get off the floor to win a fight are fighters who were knocked down from a glancing blow or fighters who hadnt really taken substancial beating and as a result they are able to pull themselves together and scrape out the win. The only time, Tyson had a chance to do that was against Holyfield in thier first fight. He was down from a balance shot where he conceivably still fresh enough to pick up the W. The Douglas fight is a perfect example of "tide-turning" heart. He not have gotten the W but the championship heart was there. But getting off the floor to win a fight has little do with how this match up would play out and further more it has little to do with greatness. Just ask Lennox Lewis.

4. You make a interesting case about Rocky fighting strictly on the inside and using his inside game to gain the edge. Fair point, but the fact remains to beat Tyson, you have to do it from long range or you need lateral movement. My concern isn't what Marciano is going to land on Tyson rather its what Tyson is going to landing on Marciano. As long as Mike is landing, he's in the fight thereby making him a very dangerous proposition. Unless the Rock has the ability to stop Tyson from landing then I don't see how he pulls this off.

 

Disagree.

Watch that round again. Tyson landed a right uppercut moments before the KD, it didnt land quite land flush and Douglas sort of fell into Tyson and he was in close enough that Tyson had just enough space to land the punch better. Mike had a look in his eye that he finally found his opening. The BAM lands the second uppercut and dropped Douglas.

 

tyson on the backfoot...or at least would be the closest thing to a counterpuncher in this fight.

he does very smart sharp counters does mike. against mcneeley he was fighting off the ropes with some amazing right counters. also the buster mathis finish was a brilliant movement.
flip side on and lands right uppercuts down the pipe ala james toney. also as somebody else said the right uppercut in the douglas match where he places the shot was immensly crisp.


evander beat tyson to the punch and by staying at mid range. somthing rocky could do very well. a great rough vegtable soup slip and land style which landed before they let go.

marciano should win this but some people here are realy undernoting tysons boxing ability and technical prowess.

 

good point

 

good point

 

I would pick Tyson for obvious reasons. A lot of good posts here, some bad ones. I think Tyson's heart gets overly defended. Once Tyson saw Buster get up it was over for him that night.

People need to distinguish between taking a beating and trying to fight back with every ounce to win. Tyson didn't dive down after getting hit but he didn't give all his heart to win it out. That much is very clear in the Buster Douglas fight. Buster out fought him, outworked him, out hearted him and out toughed him. Douglas was a man on a mission. Tyson didn't even seem to be there. His effort, at best, is scattered but no where near consistent enough to qualify as showing great "heart." Tyson was just going through the moments in Tokyo. That's not heart, and just because you can find an example of a fighter quitting more doesn't change anything. Accept it guys...

 

Solid post to be frank. :good

 

The fight would not go three rounds and I'm being generous ... a terrible, unfair match up. Tyson was much bigger (thirty pounds of soild muscle), much faster, much harder to hit and a much bigger two handed puncher. He also has proven at least as solid a chin and a was much faster starter. I don't think I have ever seen Tyson in the ring with a 185 pound man.

Styles make fights and this is a horrible match up. I'd say Ezzard Charles had a much better shot against Tyson than Marciano. Walcott as well. A straight forward slugger like Rocky, ridiculous ...

 

Nobody who comes fighting forward and slugging is going to beat Tyson, period. It's the absolute worst strategy you could use against him - and if your a smaller man, you might as well be committing suicide.

 

Rocky would plant himself right in front of Tyson. Bad move.

Also, with Rocky throwing all of those wild swings, Tyson would counter and have Rocky flat on his back in no time. There's no way Rocky wins this. Complete blowout. I'm a Rocky fan, but i'm just being honest.

 

You my friend have common sense...............size, movement, strengh to tie him up and most importantly HEIGHT combined with a great jab are the requirements to have a chance against Mike. The Rock got none of that.

Toe to toe is absolut suicide, just ask any fighter that has sparred with him or any trainer that has worked with him. Holyfield who has a great chin did not do it because he knew he would get laid out and that was a severely declined Tyson already. Against a even more washed up version of Mike, Botha did pretty well until he got cute and thought he could go to to toe.................Berbick has a hell of a chin and the toe to toe method, despite having a excellent corner /trainer did not work so well either.....

Mike made a career out of making full size BIG heavyweights do the chickendance. Fact. NOt feasting on beansticks with grey hair or lol, so old they were balding and struggling with them on top of it .....

Marciano has never ever been hit like he would get hit by Tyson and most of the shots he would not even see coming, he would get lifted out of his shoes by the uppercuts alone. He is a near perfect opponent to showcase Tyson, a tough, undersized mediocre talented but immensly proud fighter who wants to go tit for tat.

Tyson by viscious KO, hell, today that fight straight out of a time machine would not even get sanctioned and no Cable network would put up the dough for such a mismatch.

 

Tyson had relatively lousy balance on the inside. Sure, he could counter punch well and use his brain to make space and openings, but Marciano's going to be pushing him back with his head stuck to his chest, and Tyson's answer will be to wing in big body shots to the side and try to open Marciano up for uppercuts. But meanwhile Marciano is going to be throwing in his own shots, and ducking lower than anyone Tyson is accustomed to fighting. Marciano's going to be turning it into a messy and vicious brawl, and Marciano had a much better inside stance than Tyson. That nullifies Tyson's weight advantage and supposedly "superior strength", right there. Anyone who has boxed or has done any martial art knows that. I'm not saying that wins Marciano the fight but I see it as a 50-50 fight.

Tyson was prone to getting pushed back by the few fighters who attempted to crowd him, and some of those fighters were nothing. Tyson was almost technically flawless when he's up against tall, slick, straight-punching stick-and-mover heavyweights (eg.Tyrell Biggs, Carl Williams, Tubbs even) - against those guys his side-to-side head-movement with the explosive attacks incorporated against a retreating foe are near-perfection. Or against slow wide-open stand-up-straight heavyweights like Berbick or Bruno, he eats them alive.

But against a low-crouching come-foward slugger like Marciano, Tyson's not going to have ideal space and ideal timing to use the strengths of his style. I'm not saying Tyson wont win, I'm saying it's NOT the ideal, it's not the "easy" fight opr the "mismatch" most people here are saying (without any ACTUAL analysis of styles). Basically, Tyson's going to have to take Marciano out with one punch as Rocky moves in for the "easy night" predictions to ring true, because as soon as Rocky's on the inside it's just a rugged scrap and Marciano's just as strong there as Tyson, or more so. And Marciano's going to make his presence felt early, no question.