How are Pac's wins over Morales 2,3 and MAB 2 rated so high?

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  1. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Just wondering why you aren't a Pac fan. Just curious. Don't like his style, wrong nationality (**** off to those who want to butt in and say I'm playing the race card), don't like his ******ed fans (understandable, but that doesn't make you a true boxing fan if stupid fans make you ignore talent). Just want to hear what you have to say. Again, to be clear, I'm NOT calling you a hater.
     
  2. GcIII

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    So you mean Morales is not a warrior?
     
  3. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Another crying over the spilt milk thread? No one gets credit anymore in this boxing site.
     
  4. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you label Morales with this warrior image? It looked like he gave up, he was boxing well in the first 5 rounds and than he just suddenly stopped. Pacquiao didn't do anything differently stylistically except land his punches.
     
  5. GcIII

    GcIII Active Member Full Member

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    Thats the key.
     
  6. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Nonsense man, so because Pac beat him in the rematch he's not the same fighter?, take a good look at the fight, if Morales faded early then sure I'll agree but that wasn't the case. Morales was fighting back like he did in the first fight, the right hook is what shocked him and he kept falling into it, that's a new punch they worked on and applied successfully. Body punches of Pacquiao were always there as well, he didn't ditch them like he did in the first fight where Pac was clearly reckless going in wide open trying to end it with one punch.

    Going into the 6th you can easily see Morales couldn't take the body shots anymore and they started to seriously hurt him whenever Pac landed there, he nearly hit the canvas at the end of the 6th from body punches.

    Morales was fine in the rematch and nearly dropped Pac from a SINGLE shot in the first round, it's just that Pac applied a different/successful gameplan, his ability to apply a new gameplan/fight style in short notice is what makes Pacquiao supernatural and special compared to others.
     
  7. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was landing his punches because Morales wasn't boxing as well as he was in the first half. Like I said Pacquiao wasn't doing anything differently except landing punches that Morales would of blocked or countered. Watch the fight again.
     
  8. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquiao didn't change his gameplan, all Morales had to do was keep up the momentum after the 5th round, he probably could of won. But Morales was getting hit with A LOT of unnecessary punches, something that didn't happen in the first fight, well except the 12th round.
     
  9. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He didn't give up he just got beat. Pac was a different fighter the 2nd time around. He is no longer a one punch fighter. He added the right hook.
     
  10. GcIII

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    Watched it a million times. You seem to be on an incliniation that suddenly Morales lose his warrior mentality when he face Pac.

    Pac for one developed his right rook on his 2nd war with Morales. You should be the one watching Pac/Morales 1&2 and see for yourself the big difference. Pac improves a lot. Morales can no longer impose his will and back up Pac as much as he did the first time around.
     
  11. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I still think Morales came into the rematch demoralized after losing to Raheem. Like I said he should of fought Raheem in a rematch instead of going straight to Pacquiao.
     
  12. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually it was the third fight that Pac developed his right hook. Pac vs Morales II, Pac didn't look really different.
     
  13. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Morales didn't show he was the "same" fighter because of Raheem, nothing else. Why do the majority of fans think that when an elite fighter loses it's because he's shot?, this isn't a popularity contest and if Raheem was promoted well and popular not many would say that of course because it's all about hype these days it seems.

    Raheem gave Morales a style he couldn't handle at a weight he proved to be unsuccessful at. Morales looked one-dimensional and lost in that fight while Raheem easily landed at will and sometimes backed him off which proves Morales can't handle that weight NOT that he's shot.

    Morales is an all-time favorite of mine and I have followed him for a long long time, Raheem's style was just a terrible choice of opponent for someone's first fight at a new weight. He outboxed and outlanded Morales, speed played a major role in that one and Morales looked terrible at that weight so he moved down again knowing there's no hope at lightweight.

    Want a good example of a shot fighter?, watch Morales vs Diaz. THAT'S how a shot fighter looks. A shot fighter doesn't go the distance with someone like Pac because that would be INHUMAN. Ali vs Holmes, Tyson vs Lewis, Tyson vs McBride, Holyfield vs Toney and many others, those are obvious examples of how a shot fighter looks like. A shot fighter doesn't come back from a brutal third fight/loss with Barrera to beat someone like Pacquiao and handle his power, if he was shot he was going to be KO'd and early in that first fight. You can make a case about the third fight since Morales came in with the mentality to score a KO early or get KO'd early but the first two Morales was NOT shot.
     
  14. GcIII

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    For xt sake, when did an elite fighter rematch a tune up fight? It just so happen that Raheem was a stylistic match up to Morales.
     
  15. Scar

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    Have you seen those fights?, seriously. :nut

    Morales was never known to have good defense anyway and was taking serious punches in the first fight starting in the first round. Pacquiao DID apply a new gameplan, the head movement was better, leg movement was better, positioning was clearly better, the right hook was always there and LANDING whenever Morales charges in, far more body punches and patient aggression unlike the reckless approach in the first fight which lead to a major headbutt/cut.

    All those are clear as hell if you know what you're watching.