HOW exactly could Marciano beat Tyson?

Your posts on this thread have made for good reading, and you do bring up valid points. This is far from a comfortable sylistic matchup for Mike. The blazing hands and deadly uppercut will be a great source of concern for Marciano, but you're correct in saying that Tyson wasn't really comfortable at point-blank range.
The big question is if Rocky can stay there often enough to make it count for him.
Tyson, like most big punchers, needed to get set to throw those big shots. Against someone like Mcneely, who jumped on him very quickly, there were glimpses that Tyson was not that comfortable in there.
Sure, he won quickly and in the end convincingly, but one has to wonder if a better quality opponent had been in there, and hung around for a few rounds, what would have hapened.
Of course, it must be pointed out that the punch that lead to Mcneely's destruction was the uppercut...so Rocky is treading a fine line here. You also bring up a good point in your opening post about Tyson being too square on the inside sometimes. This wasn't the case against Tubbs, but Tyson looked more willing to mix it up close there.
This was once again the case against Mcneely, and a rugged, determined and perhaps most importantly durable fighter may be able to push Tyson backwards and keep him going backwards.

There is no doubt Tyson needed the space to work effectively; something that was unusual in such a short-armed fighter. Rocky would also count as one of Tyson's shortest opponents, and this could mess a little with Tyson's timing. Despite his accuracy, one of Tyson's flaws was to throw a looping type right hand, and this did often sail pretty harmlessely over an opponent's head.
Tyson's most under-discussed weapon is his jab. It set up everything for him. When he stopped using the jab, his punch effectiveness dropped quite a bit.
Now, does he eschew the jab here, since the majority of the fight will be at medium-close quarters and Rocky's a short guy coming in, or does he have time and the inclination to use his jab and set up bodyshots and uppercuts?
Tyson's body was not ever really pummeled either, so what happens if Rocky starts banging downstairs?
How does Tyson react to Rocky's fouling tactics?

Of course, there are questions that Rocky needs to answer. One is how he deals with the type of handspeed Tyson has. Nearly to a man, past Tyson opponents remarked that his speed is what got you, not so much the power. (Which was formidable in any event.)
How does he deal with perhaps four or five punch combos?
Despite being underrated defensively, Marciano will get hit. At close-ish quarters it's inevitable. Does he have the outright chin to absorb Tyson's big punches?
Mike had a knack of knocking out some very durable men, sometimes with one shot. He was also murder against smaller, lighter men...the Marvis Frazier fight being a prime example, although there are other fights one could point to.
Does Rocky have the necessary strength to outmuscle Tyson or fight on even terms inside, despite Tyson's square-ish stance on the inside?

I love both fighters, but my gut instinct says that Marciano will fall short in the end. For me, it ends in one of two ways:

1) A qucik, one-sided fight where Marciano is just not evasive enough to avoid the incoming leather and finds that Tyson's natural physical advantages prove too much to deal with.

2) A fight that ends mid-rounds, with Tyson overcoming a stylistic problem and him finally finding the timing to land those uppercuts consistently.

Ultimately I believe Rocky fails for the following reason:

Tyson won't get discouraged by Marciano's power, and he will land with enough regularity to not become discouraged.
In my eyes, Tyson is not beaten by force, unless perhaps your name is big George. Yes, Marciano will be landing, but he will be taking leather too. My guess is the fight ends before Marciano's legendary endurance (his ace in the pack in many fights) has a chance to kick in.

 

Good analysis.
I must admit it is not a fight I'd be comfortable picking a winner in.
I imagine it being one of those hectic encounters where fortunes can change and the tide swing back and forth from from moment to moment.
I credit Marciano with enough intelligence, instinct and pure heart and conditioning NOT to be overwhelmed by Tyson's speed, even if at first it is "overwhelming". We're talking about two special fighters here. Marciano's not going out like Micahel Spinks, even if Tyson's lauded speed-power decks him in the opening seconds.
Marciano had a great instinct for survival and a great instinct and intelligence in making himself awkward to his opponent.
Marciano often used that lean-back-lean-to-the-side crouch that made him hard to hit with uppercuts or ANY head punch as he was coming in stalking, and on the inside against Tyson if he's bulling Tyson off balance tyson will have difficulty feeding an uppercut in there too. But Tyson would be capable of making space for himself in mid-ring action with intelligent footwork. In the meantime, it's really a case of who's doing the most damage in the untidy conditions that prevail. I think Marciano's the man there. Tyson's best plan relies on making it as clean and tidy as often as possible, and in not just hurting Marciano but keeping him hurt. Marciano's going to be doing real damage, whether obvious or not, whenever the fight's in close, in a clinch or untidy, and learning what's working for him. Marciano strikes me as a man that's difficult to beat, dont care who you are, dont care how big or fast, he's going to be making the other guy know he's serious and he's not folding up easily. Tyson has some great tools and tremendous ferocity, so I give him 50% chance of being the man to beat Marciano.

 

That's a good point there. It's hard to envision Marciano being overwhelmed.

I'll stick with my pick though...

 

by using elbows too.

 

Jesus christ stop with the Suzie Q bull****. Go some topics back and read my post. Tyson would never go down from a single punch. Rather from a systematic beatdown. And when he was conditioned and motivated - like during the two Ruddock fights he almost cannot be KO'ed. His chin is so underrated. Look at all those flush shots he took from Ruddock - and yes Ruddock is a banger of Marciano's stature - if not bigger. Hell a 20 pound's overweight, un-conditioned, old Tyson took a hell of a lot Right hands from Lewis before going down. Tyson would laugh at Suzie Q :deal

 

Tyson at his best was unbeatable !!

 

"Iron" Mike NEVER got off the floor to win...like all the great champs have done!!!

 

I guess Lennox Lewis and Jim Jeffries aren't great champs than.

 

Marciano could beat Tyson with a .44 magnum........:nut

MR.BILL

 

That's different though.

Anyway, Tyson has been down before. Holyfield dropped him. Rocky certainly hits harder. As for that knockdown, it was mostly a balance thing (But that's a point that's being reiterated here). But did you see Tyson's expression once he gets dropped. He seems confused, and most of all discouraged.

As a die hard Rocky fan I'm surprised by the faith he gets in this thread. If any fighter is warranted to have a chance or pull off an upset it's Rocky. So I can't say it's undeserved.

 

Why, because it's Tyson we're talking about?