- so is striking. Unless you think you can replicate what you see in bruce lee movies. Remember , there's difference between professional stunt men and real opponents. If two , or 5 guys come at you , you're odds of beating them all aren't on your side. Especially if they're also armed (with baseball bats , guns or knives). I can always think of a few exceptions though. Such as these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZLaOpFMzo8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL1Y1D6ObIM But again , these are only exceptions. & there's a huge difference when you're confronted to trained fighters (or armed opponents).
Probably. I'd personally aim for the balls. But here again , you have to keep in mind that a well sunk guillotine. (such as this for example). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Gmn3YDxJo Puts you in a position where you'll find it hard to either bite or aim for your opponent's eyes. Chances are he could very well break your neck before leaving you unconscious. In this video , things are different. It's a sport , there's also a ref to stop the fight. But you better hope never to be confronted to a situation like this especially if the guy happens to be an ******* (and keeps choking you even after you're unconscious). Also submissions are more than just guillotines.
Not if you're confronted to an equally skilled bigger guy. (unless you sincerely believe that for instance...Mayweather would easily dismantle one of the Klitschkos) (there's a good reason why we have different weight divisions) I don't even think a guy like Pac or mayweather or Cotto would do anything special to a lesser skilled big guy , such as Valuev. (reaching his head would already be a bit problmetatic ) maybe beating him by decision would be possible. (but without hurting him at all , just by outpointing him). On the other hand , if we take the valuev ex , and translate it to mma , it's possible to do a lot more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eralrXnL61M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i0iZcLIrTQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0LXXs_z6y0
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=141021&cat=boxer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAIgNhVT3Zs manhoef http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Manhoef http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNttRJ40QZE
Anecdotal stories are worthless. ( as legit , consistent , empirical proofs.) Having said that , the same sometimes happens in mma. (wrestler vs striker)...Wrestler is dominated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uygsh358MgQ GSP does that too. ( often dominates everybody on the ground even when confronted to top wrestlers )
Very possible. But again , you're also forgetting that there are certain submissions in which you can't do any of that. You won't be able to bite or crush your opponent's balls or attack his eyes in situations like these for ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5B6xBZiX8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls8MMRY3dXI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_FevrLdaw Also , don't forget , being confronted to situations like these (in real life) , and typing about it while you're sitting comfortably behind your keyboard is very different. Have you ever wondered why some (professional fighters) have incredibily stupid gameplans ? why their training doesn't translate well inside the ring when confronted to a real opponent ? Or why "upsets" happen from time to time ? ( Tyson losing to Douglas , Lennox losing to Rahman , GSP losing to Serra etc... ) We , as spectators , can easily judge other's mistakes , we can arrogantly say things: "this wouldn't happen to me" or "i would've done that instead of this"... Being a top sniper in a video game such "call of duty" online is different from doing it in real life , in a real war. Many different emotions are involved...stress , panic etc..
Pretty much useless post because it's not going to get across. People like him will always back up any videos or arguments you put there with "Well, in those videos it was MMA strikers and not Klitchko or Mayweather, it was just some unknown Manhoef and Silva...".
Good arguments, boxingcar, but in those videos it was MMA strikers and not Klitchko or Mayweather, it was just some unknown Manhoef and Silva.
Absolutely. My points are still valid though. Mayweather vs Valuev would be quite boring. Mayweather would probably win by boring UD. In mma however , even when you're confronted to a huge guy , you've got more options on your side. You're not forced to deal with his size or reach. (see Fedor vs Schilt).
Yeah, but in those videos it was MMA strikers and not Klitchko or Mayweather, it was just some unknown Manhoef and Silva. And...er... Boxing's better. And... ...Um... ...in those videos it was MMA strikers and not Klitchko or Mayweather, it was just some unknown Manhoef and Silva
Actually (to be serious for a minute) I think that MMA is still somewhat behind boxing in the length and breadth of its talent pool. People have been staging Vale Tudo competitions at a worldwide level for a fairly short amount of time--not much more than a decade. It has lots of COMPETITORS, but that isn't quite the same thing as specialized athletes. 10-15 years is simply not enough time to develop the skillset AND infrastructure to create well-rounded fighters who are their sport's equivalent of Ali. And yes, that includes Fedor--though at least Fedor can argue that his background in combat sambo prepared him reasonably well. To use a boxing analogy, he's more like Sullivan than Tyson--right down to the lineage wars against Dana White (who reminds me a bit of R.K. Fox, now that I think of it). It says something that MMA fighters still rely so heavily upon Muay Thai, BJJ, wrestling, and boxing coaches when all of those sports have less-than-perfect carryover into MMA. You don't see this in most other sports--including other combat sports. I expect MMA to become comparable to boxing when the St. Pierres and Silvas of the world have been retired for 10-15 years and operate gyms of their own...and long after Fedor has met his Corbett. By then, there will probably be some standardization in training methods and techniques as the simplest, most efficient curriculum is agreed upon. ....That being said, current top MMA guys would still destroy top boxers in the octagon, and probably in a street fight under most conditions.
No grappler would ever be able to take down the likes of Klitchko or Mayweather because they'd get rocked coming in. The videos you showed are very terrible boxers and couldn't carry Klitchkos jockstrap. If it was him in there against those grapplers they would've been KOed in seconds. Just watch Sylvia vs Mercer. I mean common. MMA fighters have no chins. MMA fighters are people who couldn't make it in boxing. Show me any top level boxers in MMA ring that got put on his ass? You keep showing me journey man and such. Old never even has been Mercer went into the cage and KOed former UFC champ in 9 sec .
it's quite a bold claim. By saying "no grappler" , i'm presuming that you're dumping every grapplers in the same basket. You do know , as well as i do , that in real life , Mayweather would've gotten litteraly murdered by a guy such as this right ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDYxruJJ0M And if you're only talking about grapplers who are about the same size as Mayweather , then don't say "no grappler". You know that it's an exaggeration. Now , let's be more resonable. Let's take someone smaller. Mayweather's next fight is gonna be at a catchweight of 144 lbs. Sean Sherk = 155 lbs Aoki = 154 lbs Bowles = 136 lbs I can't think of anyone smaller right now. But let's pretend that Sherk was also fighting at 144 lbs. So "no grappler" would ever be able to take down the likes of klitschko or mayweather because "THEY'D GET ROCKED COMING IN". Fair enough , let's start with Mayweather's case. Mayweather has a 64.1 % KO ratio. From 1996 to 2007. He's only been capable to KO 4 opponents. Out of these 4 KOs , he's only been able to finish Kino Rodriguez in the 1RST Round. It then took him 6 full rounds to KO Felipe Garcia 2 rounds to KO Sam Girard and 9 rounds to KO ****** Juuko. In other words , Floy Mayweather. Who never fought against a wrestler , Never fought under mma rules. Who doesn't have the KO power to finish his opponents with a single impact in a matter of seconds in his own sport , would suddenly become a KO machine , and he'd be capable to avoid any takedown attempts imaginable. That's what he'd need to do , in order to avoid getting on his back. it's just way too far fetched. Why ? Let's take Hatton vs Mayweather as an example. Round 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unPpMgZQdME at 0:02 Mayweather is ALREADY in the clinch. at 0:05 The ref separates them. In mma , here's what happens... At 0:02 Mayweather is in the clinch. At 0:05 he's taken down or is receiving knees to the chest and the Ref doesn't separate the fighters.
