Am I Being Unfair to MMA?

Yes, MMA fighters can't box as well as boxers. People are defending that point so passionately except no one is arguing against it.

 

So true.

 

I've followed both off and on for years - most of my life in fact (even before the early "illegal" VHS halcyon days of the UFC I held interest in several martial arts disciplines, including modern MMA striking core <along with dirty boxing> Muay Thai; and the sweet science was introduced to me as soon as the kid gloves fit).

Over the last 5-6 in particular my passion for boxing has intensified while my MMA fandom has waned to the "casual" level.

For me, MMA is good but boxing is great.

Subjectivity makes the world go round. :good

 

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I love both sports, but it is clear that Silva has too many bad habits to be able to fight at the top level in boxing. In fact I think he would struggle against any number of journeymen, he's just not on the same level right now (if ever) in terms of striking with the hands. If he ever got in the ring with Jones Jr he would be obliterated.

However, if Jones Jr got in the octagon he too would be obliterated, so this is always going to be a stupid comparison. Just watch what you like!

 

with disrespect intended mma its just a stupid hype job directed to 16 year ol kids and stupid rednecks who know nothing about nothing. how can mma fans say mma is better than boxing when they have a former wwe wrestler as theyr world champion?or when you have a hype job kimbo ******?or when a 48 year ol mercer can ko a former ufc champ in 8 seconds?

im sorry but mma is the most boring **** ever. i watched the rampage vs henderson chapion vs champion and all they did was to try to stomp each others feet.

 

Boxing is a sport for warriors, and MMA is not for some reason?

I don't understand it this way.. I look at boxing as refined striking with the hands, where MMA is less refined, it introduces other aspects of combat which allows for a more realistic, and complete fighting environment. Both are great, one is focused on hands, and thus the footwork required to go along with specializing into that small aspect of combat.

MMA incorporates most aspects of combat, and broadens the horizon of what fights actually are.

I hear boxers talk about how sloppy MMA fighters are with their footwork, I tend to look at that statement myopic, in that in MMA you have to be aware of far more things than you do in boxing, so good footwork is going to be dictated by positioning, be it defensively or offensively according to the situation, just as in boxing.

MMA is becoming more and more refined as time goes on, but with such a huge array of skills that people can bring into the ring, it will never be as, "refined" as boxing is, because it more closely simulates real combat.

If you cant appreciate MMA, then you don't really understand what being a warrior is even about. I enjoy watching all aspects of combat.. Fencing, Judo, wrestling, boxing, MMA, Muay Thai, Kickboxing. To be able to appreciate combat in all its forms is to be a fan, and to understand what being a warrior truly is about. Cheers.

Someone who only appreciates boxing, I can understand. But, in the big picture, its a lot like having a brand of something you enjoy, and are stuck on. Like watching someone swear on Perrier water, and is too stuck up to drink some water out of the tap, or at least try an evian, or some other bottled water. Its a sort of elitist, loyal position to something they are accustomed to.

 

Actually the sport is followed by an arguably more diverse crowd than boxing. Huge in Brazil and parts of Asia, its constituents include not only fans of modern "hybrid" MMA but also people following their favorite judokas, wrestlers, kickboxers, and karate practitioners in their campaigns, as these combatants raise not only their individual profiles but those of their respective disciplines (of recent note, see Machida using his ascension to become benefactor of Shotokan).

 

Well said.

 

Such an idiot.

MMA draws people from all over the world, just like boxing. Brazil, Russia, UK, Japan, Australia, everywhere. Many people in MMA come from a combat sport background, so you have Judokas from Japan and Europe, wrestlers from all over the world, kickboxers from Holland, BJJ fighters from Brazil, it is truely a global sport.

That former pro wrestler was also a former NCAA national champion wrestler with freakish athletic ability; look at his numbers from the NFL training camp, I doubt any HW boxer could even come close to matching them.

So he entered a field where he could make money based on his background, mma wasn't paying very well at the time, so what? Floyd Mayweather has done multiple things with the WWE and he has done them much more recently, whats the difference?

Yes, Mercer KO'd Sylvia, no taking away from that; Couture and Fedor also dropped him with the first punches of the fight, so it isn't like MMA fighters can't do what Mercer did. Sylvia is also on the verge of falling apart, he has ballooned up in weight, and that fight was originally going to be a boxing match, so he probably didn't go in with the best game plan. No excuses though; if an MMA fighter tries to box with a boxer in an MMA fight he is going to lose. If he attempts to take the fight to the ground or even the clinch he is usually going to win, if he actually gets it to the ground he is always going to win.

Mercer also lost to Kimbo in Kimbo's first MMA fight, where he was even worse than he is now. There have also been several boxers who have tried MMA and gotten absolutely obliterated. Nishijima, a Japanese Cruiserweight failed miserably. Matt Skelton got thrown around and choked by Tom Erikson.

There is certainly more evidence of MMA fighters being better at MMA than boxers, in fact that should be a pretty obvious statement, so I'm not real sure why bringing up Mercer does any harm to MMA.

 

In all fairness, Lesnar's dominance in the UFC really does expose the limits of "sophisticated" modern MMA guys in the face of somebody who's comparatively unskilled and freakishly athletic. The same could be said to an even greater degree of someone like Sapp.

It's as if the amateur Olympic champ spent the last several years pretending to box, bulked up to outrageous proportions, and then came back and KO'd Valuev, Vitali, and Wladimir in rapid succession. That sort of thing just doesn't happen in boxing because the skillset is forced into a narrower range.

 

I said this from the very outset long before Lesanr became champ that if he did become champ some would question the legitimacy of MMA. Comparing both sports is like comparing Apples and Oranges because there both fruits. Both are entirely diffrent with diffrent rules and skillsets. MMA has an amalgammation of varying disciplines but that can be negated through sheer size. Guys like Choi Sapp Lesnar are evidence of this. Equally if Lesnar fought in the K1 he would be a nobody. Sapp turned his hand at K1 and beat the great Ernesto Hoost. Sapp turned his hand at MMA and got turned in recent years into a cabbage. Its as long as it is short.

 

I agree partly with what you said but... wrestling is a skill that is important in MMA, not in boxing... it wouldn't be like an ametur wrestler coming into boxing at all.

But yeah, sheer size is a much larger factor in MMA than it is in boxing because of boxings narrower rules

 

do you never get tired of typing this **** or do you simply copy and paste it every time someone trolls, they troll and you bite then type

we have heard your points all before but one thing, mercer koed sylvia with one punch and he was out before he even started to drop, dont try discredit mercer's victory because at the age of nearly 50 he deserves more credit than he got, couture gave sylvia a flash kd and fedor landed 10 shots before sylvia dropped

 

I meant an amateur boxing champion, not amateur wrestling champion.

Picture Roberto Camarelle (after his win at the 2008 Beijing Olympics) spending several years doing fixed exhibition fights and bulking up to 280 pounds, then KO'ing Valuev and both Klitschkos.

It wouldn't happen.

 

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