at 00:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eralrXnL61M CLINCH. 00:12 TAKEDOWN. But let's just say that it's not a fair example because: " that's not Klitschko. And Klitschko never would be taken down" To this , i'll answer: - It would be statistically improbable...Impossible for them to KO every single one of their opponents in a matter of seconds. Let's say Vitali or Wladimir both have an average of 10 or 15 fights under mma rules. this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0bKYeksJ_w Would be statistically impossible to repeat 3 or 5 or 10 times in their mma career. (unless all their fights are fixed) It is for this very reason , that both Mayweather or the Klitschkos would be forced to hit the canvas at one point or another. They'd either get smashed into oblivion or submitted , or even more frustrating...their opponent would simply "lay and pray" , and win a boring decision.
Sylvia = "mma fighters" ? Is Sylvia an mma deity ? Is he omnipotent ? I'm just asking because you say: " just watch Sylvia " and you then jump to the conclusion "mma fighters have no chins". That's a pretty big leap...
Better yet , 90% of them never even bothered to be boxers in the first place. You're pointing something obvious. Most already used to have different careers before starting in mma. (Lindland = olympic Silver medal in greco) (Nastula = olympic gold medal in Judo) (Werdum = ADCC champion) (Fedor = Sambo champion) Disciplines , which are ideal for a sport such as mma because it allows them to use what they know best. Under boxing rules , these disciplines are useless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZWQn-Rvg-U And Kimbo isn't ranked now. Wasn't ranked back then. Sylvia vs Mercer was supposed to be under boxing rules. But since they wouldn't allow it. the fight took place under mma rules but Sylvia still wanted to outbox Mercer that was his original intention. In his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNpWkQ0-_8 (btw this vid is hilarious haha ) Sylvia could've opted for a simple takedown , he could've simply avoid any striking confrontation and shoot for mercer's legs. But he didn't. And he paid for it. That's the whole irony. You don't need a champion to do what Kimbo did. You might as well hire an mma can do get the job done. All you have to do is go for a takedown. But Sylvia's stupidity isn't universal in the sport of mma.
I don't care what weight, as long as it's in decent range. Those guys in the videos aren't Klitchko nor Mayweather. They don't have good foot movement and not fluid or accurate enough to land like high level boxers would. Reason Mayweather is winning not via KO is because he's facing BOXERs with GOOD chins and not boxing-REJECTS who would never make in boxing to earn a living. With small gloves Mayweather will drop all Sherks and others on the same night if he could make as much money as he does in boxing. You can't bring in statistics while there has never been a high level boxer in the cage. And old washed up Mercer KOed former UFC champion in 9 seconds, you can find it on on youtube, just look it up dude. That's the only real statistic that could possibly fit. In the cage with Klitchko there will be no laying and praying cause they will be layed out way before. Too bad UFC pays their fighters in food stamps otherwise you'd now the truth.
Mercer vs Kimbo cannot possibly count in anyones book. It was Mercer's first mma fight and it was an exhibition match, Mercer ate burger before the fight on top of that he is old and washed up boxer though used to be a contender. So all it takes to KO a former UFC champ in NINE SECONDS is an old-washed-up-contender in boxing. Imagine what Klitchko would do in the UFC
Klitschko nor mayweather have the high level of wrestling , take down defense or bjj needed to keep the fight standing. It's a statistical improbability. (as for your "money" argument , it's nothing more than a logical fallacy ) Statistics give us approximate expectations on a fighter's forte & weaknesses. They may not be as reliable as Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journals , but they're reliable enough to show us what to expect from a fighter. True , But that's irrelevant because the fact remains. Mayweather KOed a total of 4 opponents from 1996 to 2007. But to be honest , it's not all important. Because Wladimir's 16 KOs (from 1996 to 2009) , still does not reverses the odds. At best , both Klitchkos & Mayweather have a 50/50 chance beating cans under mma rules. (cans , who still have more than a neuron left in their brain , & who'll take these strikers on the ground instead of challenging them at their own game. Like Sylvia tried to do). If Pride doesn't get in the way , these top boxers would have a puncher's chance at best. Many fighters do make poor decisions though. (Griffin , trying to stand vs Anderson , Kongo , trying to take down Velasquez )
Because you're a reality denialist. Therefore , you'll filter facts , and only accept one side of the argument. You have your logic. Confirmation Bias ftw. Once you'll understand & accept that it is statistically highly improbable to KO a series of 5 or 10..or 20 , 30 opponents in a row (without a single clinch , and in a matter of seconds). You'll realise that the "mercer vs sylvia" argument isn't enough to nullify variables of non-fixed fights. Mercer vs Sylvia showed us an old Mercer vs a 310 lbs heavy Sylvia who had the intention to box Mercer no matter the rules. Sylvia isn't a boxer & he paid for his blind arrogance.
You are asserting this. But this is wishful thinking , not empirical evidence. In order for this absurd scenario to work , Klitschko would have to repeat 1rst Round KOs without a single clinch. The odds of this happening would be as thin as repeating the same number at the roulette 5 to 10 times in a row. In other words. Not likely. Truth ? Like your latent man crush for Klitschko ? http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4800095&postcount=54
Obviously not , because it kills the validity of Mercer vs Sylvia. You're quick to mention that Mercer: "ate burger before the fight" , but you conveniently forget to precise that Sylvia weighted + 310 lbs for his fight against mercer. You are also quick to mention that it was: "Mercer's first mma fight" But you also conveniently forget to mention that it was the same case for Kimbo Ferguson. Mercer vs Kimbo took place at " Cage Fury Fighting Championships 5 ". That event happened on Saturday, June 23, 2007 After that , he had his first fight in EliteXC-Renegade against Bo Cantrell that took place on november 10, 2007. That aside , both Kimbo vs Mercer or Kimbo vs Sylvia still can't change mathematical probabilities of variables.
Rinse and repeat. My response will be exactly the same as my last two posts. We haven't seen high level boxers in a cage, and the only one who has Mercer destroyed Sylvia in 9 seconds. Prove me wrong. Show me evidence. Statistically/probability speaking Klitchko beats Mercer 100/100 fights today. Mercer > Sylvia. Therefore Klitchko beats Sylvia in fraction of that. Can't beat that statistic because it can be backed up by video records. And not your imaginary probability.
Well , yes... I know. You have no valid arguments and you know that you're wrong (unless this is just intellectual hypocrisy on your part). I spotted logical fallacies in your previous responses , so you're obviously and preditcably gonna repeat yourself by saying: I don't remember ever denying or ignoring that , yet you keep bringing that up (as if it was enough to somehow prove Mayweather & Klitschko would repeat the exact same outcome 10 times outta 10.) Like i said in my other response , you're a reality denialist. It is mathematically highly improbable for any human being (fighter in this case) , to repeat the exact same performance 3 or 5 or 10 times in a row , by way of knockout , without a single clinch , under 9 seconds.
There's no such thing as absolute certainties in fighting. But i guess i'll agree on the fact that it is highly improbable for Mercer to beat any of the Klitschkos at this point in time , especially under boxing rules. Nop. By your logic , Kimbo > Mercer. Therefore Kimbo beats the klitchkos. But that logic doesn't follow. & yet you're doing the same only by using Mercer > Sylvia. A statistic is a quantity that is calculated from a sample of data. (a probability distribution for the values of a sample statistic). I still maintain that your argument is flawed.
More like your imaginary and "wishful thinking scenario". There's nothing imaginary about statistics & probabilities. And if you think the contrary , do the experience yourself , go to your nearest casino , (or simply play an online roulette game) keep betting the same number over & over again & see what happens. Believing that either Mayweather or Klitschko would always be capable to KO anyone: - under 9 seconds - in the 1rst round - While Keeping the fight standing - & avoiding the clinch. Is statistically highly improbable. It actually has yet to be proven in any combat sport. The closest example that comes to mind is: Aleksander Emelianenko vs Thompson (1rst round KO in 0:11 seconds) - 10/31/2004 Aleksander Emelianenko vs Morais (1rst round KO in 0:15 seconds) - 4/3/2005 Aleksander Emelianenko vs Rooze (1rst round TKO in 0:28 seconds) - 10/9/2005 & even that isn't anywhere near what we're looking for.
