Hate on me MMA fans! Boxing vs. MMA

failed logic...More logical fallacies...David , all your predecesors have been ridiculed in this section of esb forum. But this is kinda like talking to a wall and most of us are more and more feeling like a broken record.

It's an exercice in futility. It's like debating a young earth creationist...Useless.

I know this response of mine isn't much of a serious contribution to this thread but...oh well. Nevermind.

 

Why should we reply intellingently to you, when all you give is the same bias bull**** without facts that every other MMA hater has?

You don't like the sport. We get it. And guess what? We don't give a ****.

 

I'm pretty new here so I'll throw in my thougts on your post.

I believe there are great athletes in both MMA and boxing. The fact that boxing is an older sport and so well established throughout so many different countries around the world makes makes a difference in terms of what type of athletes we see at the top of the food chain (the ones most of us see on television). For boxers to rise to the top on a global level they must be guys that learn extremely fast, possess fantatic athletic attritbutes, and have been training for many, many years in the art.

In MMA there are some also some great atheltes but I believe we will continue to see some fighters that are not of the "Super athlete" continue to suceed in the game, many times winning matches over those who posess many more physical gifts. The reasons being:

1) The need for speed is not as necessary - With clinching, takedowns and groundwork allowed the need to be fast is lessened dramatically. Guys can always look to move their heads off the line of fire (if they have the skills to do so) in an attempt to force a clinch so that they can use a non-striking type strategy. I think this is why we see guys like Randy Couture and other older fighters still have some success in the cage.

2) Some of the most athletic guys still have holes in their games that can often be exploited by less athletic fighters who posess solid technical skills and manage to fight the fight their way.

3) With so many elements in the game of MMA, it's been shown time and again that anything can happen. I think that's why so many people love the sport. We've seen champion wrestlers get taken down by those with less takedown credentials and seen strong strikers KO'd by a wild punch by a guy who looks like the mailman.

Unless a MMA fighter can and has the interest to dedicate most of his life to boxing, why would he step out of the cage and into the boxing ring to box pro? He would have to take his licks in training, like all of the current boxing pro's out there now did.

On the other hand why would an excellent pro boxer leave his comfort zone (of boxing competition) and go to MMA where he would be at a disadvantage until he spent many,many years learning all the skills necessary to win consistantly. It makes no sense.

I don't believe we will every see a fighter that could compete at a world level in boxing, muay thai , brazilian jiu-jitsu, and wrestling at the same time with the same focused skill level that a boxer shows with his hands. Their careers are too short to develop all those skill sets and gain the necessary competitive experience in each style.

So I think we'll continue to see MMA fighters conitinue to be more like the Jack of all trades as opposed to the master of one skill set.

I think in boxing, strong athleticism combined with perfect technique will get you to the top. In MMA I think a well rounded game is first most important followed by athleticism.

In the end lol, I think there are great athletes in both sports there's just more of a chance to see a guy who looks like the cable guy winning fights in MMA. Which is awesome in my opinion.

 

Actually both mixed martial artists and boxers are terrible athletes.

Neither have the talent to go into golf and earn the sort of money Tiger Woods does.

 

I cant say who is the better athlete this is like comparing Basketball and Football. Now I do find guys like a Roy Jones far more atheltic then you top level JiuJitsu guy but Roys a guy who has that natural atheltic abilty you cant teach kinda like GSP,Lesnar and Penn have in MMA.

 

Your logic is wrong because it assumes that the most athletic sportsmen in the world would be boxers if they were really athletic.

Tell Michael Phelps that he isn't athletic because, if he was, instead of swimming in the olympics he would be making 10 million dollar purses boxing. Tell Terrel Owens that he isn't as athletic as a boxer because if he was he could be making more per FIGHT than he does per season.

It doesn't make any sense at all, not even the tiniest bit. It's downright stupid.

 

Base on what evidence? In fact that is such a general statement that I'm not sure it is even possible to qualify it.

Boxing is over 100 years old as a world wide sport. MMA as a world wide sport is about 15 years old. Of course the money is going to be different. You think John L. Sullivan was getting millions?:huh
Any kind of correlation you claim between money and athleticism is moot. Elite level athletes in any sport generally have to train quite specifically from an early age. If someone doesn't start boxing very early on then they are very unlikely to make it at the top level. There are exceptions in the highest weight classes both MMA and Boxing (Tony Thompson, Lesnar etc..) but generally speaking you cannot just go from one to the other and expect to be at the top. I think you will find that many great boxers did not sit down one day and think, "I'm a great athlete, I will select boxing to make my fortune!". In fact if you will find that the truth is often much more mundane. Tyson was nothing more than a petty criminal when he was spotted by a detention centre counsilor that just happed to be an ex boxer. In fact, many people on MMA will have partaking in martial arts from a young age...perhaps because they enjoy it?! They are not going to necessarily change sport because another has more money. I do not believe that money is the only driving factor, but even if it was, it is a risk for any athlete of any sport to believe that they can suceed at the top level in a different sport entirely. Think of the reverse scenario, if there was more money in MMA I don't believe that all the best boxers would suddenly jump ship and try and do something which they would almost certainly struggle at.

Tough luck, you say that same thing as everyone else that comes in here and starts yet another topic on this tired old discussion.

 

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How can you be so sure that boxing has better athlete? Most boxers only knows how to fight one way which is to boxed. MMA fighters can strike and fight on the ground. After all isn't athleticism based on how good you are in any sports your in.

bo jackson is consider a great athlete cuz he played baseball and football and was good with both sports. MMA fighters are usually good in more than one fighting style. BJJ-wrestling-kickboxing-karate etc etc. most MMA fighter knows more than one art of fighting style cuz they know if they are one dimensional then they won't suceed in MMA.