Hate on me MMA fans! Boxing vs. MMA

You started this thread with "Hate on me" in your title. To me this indicates that you don't give a **** about any counter-arguments , like i was previously saying by comparing your kind to young earth creationists... it's like talking to a wall.

In reality , you don't give a ****. You're just here to reinforce your preconceived ideas.

 

mma is for rednecks and 16 year old kids

 

hey David Fanning , a friend of yours joined the party...

 

the ts is making a clear point which at this moment in time is imo justified, there are guys in mma at the moment who have reached a high level when it is visible their athleticism is quite low, being extremely well rounded but not a specialist in any area is something quite a few of us can do, becoming a specialist at one art is something which requires high athleticism and only a few of us can do, now im not talking about the likes of gsp, fedor, and silva because these guys are great athletes but even still i think rjj, floyd jr, ali and tyson are the superior athletes, fighters like koscheck, bisping, leben, baroni, frank shamrock, henderson are fighters who wouldnt compare athletically imo to their boxing counterparts from their era and similar levels like mosley, judah , berto santos

 

Actually, I realized something while I was playing troll with you. It was somewhat pleasant to soak in ignorance and to annoy others doing it.

 

MMA will never make the money boxers make.

However, I dont think it has anything to do with which sport has the better athletes. Wrestlers develop some fantastic athletes who are strong, explosive and well conditioned. And before MMA many of them were able to parlay those skills into NFL careers like Stephan Neal whos an all-pro tackle.

Overall, I agree with Jeff Joslin. However there are some points I disagree with. Being well-rounded is important in MMA but its not everything. It really depends on what skillset you posess in my opinion. We've seen countless wrestlers who have rose to the top of the sport with fairly limited skills aside from wrestling. In fact, Lesnar is a prime example. Maia can probably beat every MW on the planet except for 3-4 of them despite being extremely one-dimensional as we all saw in the Marquardt fight. Grapping in my opinion translates into MMA more than striking disciplines do. Whether its because of the sport itself or the fact, the sport of MMA seems to be lacking and has always lacked world-class strikers.

And Jeff, your fight with Koscheck was the perfect example of what im talking about. You were simply the more well-rounded fighter. You beat and even frustrated Koscheck on the feet. However, his fantastic wrestling credentials enabled him to take you down frequently throughout the entire fight. Even though you neutralized his wrestling with your BJJ, his takedowns were enough to win the fight.

I think athleticism plays a very important role in both sports, but in both sports to reach the ABSOLUTE top of the sport you have to be well-rounded, just in different ways. In MMA, you have to have adequate skills in the different aspects of MMA to compliment your strongest skillset. In boxing, you have to know how to box, brawl, counter-punch, fight on the inside, throw fluid combinations, be sound defensively etc. Mayweather proved against Hatton he could fight on the inside, JMM fought Diaz's kind of fight and beat him at his own game.

 

David, the odd handfull of athletes from other sports that give boxing a go is only because of the money, but what you fail to realise is that has negligible correlation with athleticism. Here is a bizarre example that illustrates what you are suggesting:

Should Usain Bolt give up sprinting because the top prizes in boxing are bigger than the top prizes in athletics? No he shouldn't because he has left it far too late to be a top level boxer. Should someone who has spent years training in a variety of techniques suddenly give up all their advantages and fight people who have trained with their hands their entire lives? No he shouldn't because he also has left it too late to become a top level boxer. The same would apply in reverse if there was more money in MMA.

I would be interested to know if you box or take part in any martial arts? I know that where I live there are far more martial arts clubs than their are boxing clubs...these exist because people want to do it, not because they think they can become rich doing so. But many years down the line a handfull will realise that they can make a decent living from it. There is an enormous talent pool for MMA but that will only become fully tapped as the sport matures.

You have still not provided any credible argument for why an 'athletic' individual would pick boxing over MMA. The money thing just doesn't cut it with me. Most people who make it the top get into sports at a very young age way before getting rich is a consideration. Most will start to either get out of trouble, just to fill the time, to get fit or because their parents made them! Didn't Ali go to boxing gym so that he could beat up the guy that stole his bike?!

 

You don't even realize how warped your "logic" is, do you? You make absolutely no sense. Explain this to me... why on earth would a great athlete... who happens to have wrestled for his entire life choose to go into boxing instead of MMA? Explain to me how that makes any sense at all...? Guys who have trained their entire lives in JJ, Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, hell even striking like Muay Thai, ect.... are all built for MMA fighting, not boxing. Being a boxer doesn't mean you are a greater athlete. It simply means that boxing is what you train in. Most of the World class boxers have simply trained in boxing since childhood... just as the World Class wrestlers trained in wrestling since childhood. Do you have any idea exactly how ******ed someone like Brock Lesnar would make someone like Wladimir Klitschko (my favorite boxer) look in a wrestling match? It's almost sad to see someone as uninformed as you.... almost. So, does that mean that Lesnar is a superior athlete? Or is it simply because Wlad has trained in boxing all of his life, and Lesnar has trained in Wrestling?

So... obviously after training his entire life in Boxing... it wouldn't make much sense for Wlad to transfer into MMA... would it? It wouldn't make sense for Lesnar, Couture, Fedor, ect... to transfer into the sport of boxing after training their entire lives in grappling... would it? MMA is for a mix of all of the fighting arts. Pure boxers usually don't go into MMA, and there is a good reason why. Boxing is too limited. I love the sport, but it's the truth.

 

nice post!, clear and simple.

 

What percentage of boxers have made HALF, no wait, a TENTH of the money Owens, Phelps, or De la Hoya have? If you average out all active professional boxer's incomes, I bet it doesn't come close to matching the NFL minimum salary. De la Hoya are and Michael Phelps are exceptional earners in their fields, and Owens is in the NFL.

I do see your going where the money is argument. I just don't think it is an entirely fair argument. More money is currently made by top boxers in contrast to top mm artists. I don't know who makes more when you average out the average boxer's earnings with the average mma participant's, nor do I know how to find this out.

How are you defining talent and athleticism?

Talent as in earning potential? For that argument we need to know what the average mma fighter makes, and what the average boxer makes. That's the only way to truly gauge this discussion.

Athleticism? How are we defining this? Running, jumping, and climbing trees? What means are you using to judge the better athlete? Boxers are on average better at one thing than most mma fighters. That is precision striking with the hands. That is your major difference.

I could try to flip your argument and say that wrestlers are better athletes than boxers because they fare better at mma.

 

Great post. It's the same point I was trying to put accross but he wont accept this simple logic therefore any more discussion with him is a waste of time.

There comes a point when you realise that sometimes people will not accept perfect logic because it ruins their argument...and that is the case with David, he refuses to cooperate and pretends to be winning the argument because we have presented a case which disproves what he said.

 

Don't flatter yourself Dave. No-one here cares if you like MMA or not. Get over yourself. Another tip.. as you clearly don't like MMA, don't do yourself (and the MMA forum) a dis-service by posting here.

Now **** off.:hi:

 

So's your mom's snatch.:smoke