Marciano-Walcott II: What exactly happened?

During the first fight, Walcott really went after Marciano with big artillery in the opening round, and with great success. However, he still got knocked out in the eventually. I think his plan was to stick and move from beginning to end in the rematch, but when he got blasted early on, his confidence of having to go another 14 rounds with that iron jawed ******* must have dropped. Realistically, Walcott boxed the perfect fight the first time and still got knocked out. He knew he was outclassed.

 

Am willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt that he blacked out during the count.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just saying Dempsey's scoring is maybe close to the 7-5 type of scoring you get for the II fight. I been telling people all along that Ali-Frazier II wasn't even close. Anybody who thinks it's close is crazy. The first fight was arguably closer but these people didn't want to listen (Mainly Frazier fans). I actually scored it 8-3-1.

 

Considering that I am a self-admitted Ali jocksniffer, I actually thought that Ali could've gotten the nod over Frazier in 1971, had Ali not been dropped in round 15 by that wicked-ass hook from Frazier....... Frazier also had a good 11th round, however, for the most part, I thought Ali nailed Frazier with many more razor sharp jabs and crosses overall in '71...... Cheers.......

MR.BILL

 

Of course you'd say Ali/Frazier 2 was not close and leave it like that Princess since you know nothing about the sport. Ali/Frazier 2 is dismissed by knowledgable fans because it was a ref's fight. Perez let Ali hold Frazier all night long in a highly controversial display of referreing that to this day is viewed as a bad job. Ali's endless holding made the fight a joke. Try and learn something by rewatching the fight and count how many clinches Ali originates.

What's next, are you going to say Frazier went in afraid ?

 

I am not saying that Walcott necisarily did quit but it is a possibility we have to consider allong with that he simply got caught.

Truth is that only Walcott knew for sure and he took the truth to his grave.

If he had fought on after that fight it would have been for increasingly small purses while he got older. I think he got out at just about the right time really.

 

I agree. FOTC was close, the 15th round KO really sealed it for Joe.

You're not saying anything that's not already been said nor that's obvious. Of course, that's because you having nothing insightful to say with that pea-sized brain of yours. Typical, you just go regurgitating generic opinions throughout ESB. The only thing somewhat unique is your weird obsession with hating on Rocky and the love he gets.

Of course the ref did a terrible job. However, you exclude the moment where Frazier was saved when he was stunned by Ali from the ref. It was bad on all sides, with Ali getting the benefit. The holding was a bit much but what should I do... penalize Ali for the poor reffing? Besides, Ali gets off shows good ring generalship with Frazier hardly landing much of anything. Hard to give him a fight he doesn't deserve. Of course, you're just a jackass. What's counting all the clinches going to do? Overturn my decision or scorecard? :rofl

I just re-watched the II fight recently.

8-3-1 Ali.

I know nothing of the sport? Fine, but so does Bill then. Take it up with him too. His 8-4 is probably the fairest and best score I've seen on the fight. Any draw or decision to Frazier is ludicrous.

Post your scorecard or STFU. Anymore shenanigans and I'm putting you on ignore.

Comparing Frazier from being afraid to Berbick against Tyson is hilarious! Keep them coming :rofl

 

I know Walcott was often fighting for chump change and actually worked a steady job for most of his career, but I think Walcott earned roughly 220,000 G's for his title loss to Marciano in '52 and close to 250,000 G's for his contracted return fiasco in '53..... Despite being stopped 2X by Marciano, Walcott finally got paid his due at the bank.........

Then in '55, Walcott co-starred in the "Harder They Fall" with Bogie and Steiger......... Great film............
:thumbsup

MR.BILL

 

Still bleeding Princess? I own you honey ! You really belong on the general post section.

 

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Well, this was no dive, not in the traditional manner.

Both Marciano and the ref confirm that Rocky landed a decent right hand. Perhaps Walcott was stunned for a second or two, but for me he was lucid enough when taking the count.
But look at how he took the count...what fighter takes the count sitting on their backside, especially as the count reaches 5,6,7...?
Walcott, for what it's worth, blamed his corner for telling him to get up a split second too late.

Personally, I agree with Red Cobra and the 'flashback' theory...old Joe suddenly remembered the hell he was going to go through again and decided to sit it out. But I do believe his intentions were honourable going into the fight.

 

Yeah, yes and no. Joe was frail, old, and ring worn from too many battles (this was like his 70th fight and his resume (and career) was full of good opposition relative to most anyone - and in particular as he had actually fought good/great fighters in or pretty damn close to their physical prime) and he was fighting a physically prime Marciano (who had about 10 years on him). Joe was fit for an OLD boxer but not as relatively fit as a prime Marciano.

As for "taking him out", that was a quick count. The ref was in a hurry to make that a wrap if he could (a sign of the times). I doubt the outcome would have been any different but that wasn't nearly all that "special".

Age is the ultimate equalizer and its relevance can't be mitigated. But a win by a FAR younger fighter can certainly be less substantive than the name merits on his ledger.

 

Don't be surprised that some here will disagree with you ... 9 out of ten in regard to one particular fighter ... in fairness, Walcott was an exceptional 37 year old like the Lennox Lewis that fought Vitali was opposed to a 37 year old Ali ..