Dempsey vs greb 15 rounds

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  1. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    The first fight Greb won easily. The second fight Greb was ROBBED of the decision, many papers said he beat Tunney nearly as bad as he did in the first fight. It was called one of the worst decisions ever handed down in New York. In Tunney's book he says that there may have been something to Greb's complaints of a robbery. Thats a pretty shocking admission. The third fight was close, Tunney probably won it legit. Greb won the fourth and Tunney won the fifth.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Thanks for the update.
     
  3. ApatheticLeader

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    Dempsey wouldn't stand a chance in this, and thus avoided Greb like the plague. In several exhibitions Greb annihilated Dempsey and was asked on occasion to go easy on him.
     
  4. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Steve with a wave of your hand you've tamed the savage beast.
    Sorry to come across as a "sarcastic ****"
    ( u wouldn't come down to the les of nyc and call me that believe me)
    but i've been reading this inaccurate BS on Greb-Tunney for far too long.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Well,you did, and my short fuse blew, so we were both in the wrong.
    I am 60, now, so my days of pugilism are behind me,[apart from the odd hiccup]. I wouldn't come down to the NYC because I am in England,but anything I say on here ,I would say face to face ,beleive that.
    I was a decent middle so I'm not afraid of a row ,but lets start again,peace :good

    Klompton has dotted the i's and crossed the t's ,so lets give him the last word on it, ok?
     
  6. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Kearns also said that Dempsey had plaster of paris against willard
     
  7. mcvey

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    Kearns said a lot of things , when he managed Maxim he said he was a better fighter than Dempsey.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Greb had an ATG chin but he never faced anyone that hit as hard as Dempsey. His style of in-and-out swarming would put him in the Lions den too often for my liking.

    Ahead on points, Greb gets stopped around the 9th. Big time.
     
  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I wonder if Gibbons or Tunney were ever interviewed on such a match up?
     
  10. ClintMagnum

    ClintMagnum Antitheist Full Member

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    Couldn't disagree more. Nobody bullied Greb like that, not even Tunney, who incidentally was way better than the overly hyped Dempsey.:bbb
     
  11. djanders

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    Tunney did not hit as hard as Dempsey did; he didn't attack like Dempsey either. Nobody had ever knocked out Brennan, Levinsky, or Miske (to name 3 off the top of my head) before they met up with a prime Dempsey. They didn't call him the Mauler for no reason. Greb would not survive this fight on his feet...in my opinion.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Saved my fingers typing time :good

    Ste Hawkins; ever heard the old adage 'styles make fights'???
     
  13. klompton

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    Gibbons, Miske, and Brennan to name a few were all punchers that never even came close to dropping Greb. Gibbons had something like 21 knockouts in 22 fights going into his bout with Greb and the guy who stayed the distance was iron chinned Bartley Madden. Brennan wasnt known as "KO Bill Brennan" for nothing. His record is largely incomplete before he ever faced Dempsey in 1918 he was reputed to have something like 60 KOs in over 70 fights. He was huge, in shape, strong, hard hitting, a good boxer, and fast for a big man. He barely touched Greb in 45 rounds and was lucky if he won one round of the forty five. This is the same Brennan who wobbled Dempsey in the second round of their second fight, nearly tore his ear off with a punch later in the same fight and was leading the champion when stopped...
     
  14. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Klompton,
    without footage of Greb, it is really hard to picture his boxing style. I have always imagined a swarmer who throws plenty of punches but is more intent on workrate and offence than defence. I also get the picture that he arcs his punches a little bit, more focussing on short and long hooks than on the traditional straight one two. This is only based on readings of course.

    You seem to be suggesting that he is so much more. (Considering his record, it only makes sense). I am interested in how his defence actually worked. I am guessing it would be a Rocky Marciano style defence, where his hands are held high, he slips and ducks punches as he works his offence. Not flashy to the untrained eye, but those who fight him know he is a lot harder to hit than he looks. Would this be correct?

    Or is my view of his style totally off base. Is he more a counterpuncher, or more defensive minded than what i have thought.
     
  15. klompton

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    My understanding of his defense was that he would use a lot of leg work to hop around his opponent, bobbing up and down, in and out, when he maneuvered his opponent into position he would dart in from angles very quickly. Early on he was a very accurate puncher but later in his career he became more wild (probably trying to throw more punches in an effort to land due to his blindness). He had superb head movement. More than one opponent described it as trying to hit a cork bobbing on a violent sea. This is why guys like Loughran and Tunney (who were known as accurate punchers) chose to fight him with bodypunches. It says a lot about your head movement when two of histories greatest sharpshooters cant hit your head. Once he had scored his points he would either tie his man up in a clinch (he was very strong so it was hard even for heavyweights to manhandle him) and then either fight his way out, or allow the referee to seperate them and start all over from a distance. When he wasnt able to tie a guy up he simply danced out of range. He also used a lot of weird movements that are described as waving his hands, feints, etc. to disconcert an opponent or distract him in order to create openings. Its really anyones guess as to what exactly Greb looked like when boxing but Ive always imagined him as a bigger, faster, more durable version of Ricardo Mayorga who threw more punches. Or maybe even a bigger version of Petey Sarron (who had a very unique but somewhat modern style). The thing that you have to remember is that a lot of guys thought Greb had a very ugly, wild, and amateurish style even in his day, it was just that it was so effective for him. He was one of those cases of a guy that even when he comes into the gym doing things wrong you dont change his style because they work for him where they might not work for the next guy. Thats why I always tell people not to get their hopes up if film is ever discovered of him, dont expect Willie Pep, or Ali, or Ray Robinson. Greb had his own style, it wasnt pretty to watch, but the results are utterly amazing.