175 lb 1st Round-Tommy Loughran vs Bob Foster

Compelling points..and as I said I dont think Ill go with Foster for some of those reasons, especially how Tommy dealt with bigger men., I just dont really see this as cut and dry just yet.

Whats your feelings on the overall relevance of the Baer fight Duodem?

Was Baer perhaps pre-prime? Have you seen that fight or know how comprehensive a victory that was for Tommy?

Ill make another call that Bob Foster at 175 > Max Baer at heavy. Now I really dont know how much the p4p issue comes into play here, of course something but maybe the extra weight meant less speed and mobility for Tommy to deal with..perhaps lending itself to his style more so.

I dont feel Tommy schooling Braddock means much here...What I was trying to get across is thats its not just the height...Its the height combined with the fact Foster was a high class operator and very powerful puncher.
Tommy doesnt just have to contend with a couple of inches of height...He has to contend with several other things aswell.

 

Also I thought his stoppages of Quarry and Tiger showed Bob could be quite explosive himself.

 

Louhgran by dec Foster had pretty fast hands but slowish feet he dragged his trailing foot a bit ,like Norton,he would not catch Loughran ,who had 1. fast hands 2,a great jab.and 3. fast feet..This would be Foster v Pierre Fourie ,except Loughran was Fourie squared he wins on points.

 

Beautifully put Duodenum...that's what I was going to say (lol)...why I picked Loughran over a guy I have profound respect for in Foster...I've always seen Loughran as the winner between these two.

 

Foster WAS quite explosive...and his execution of Vincente Rondon seemed more like a horror flick than a fight..."The Attack of the 6'-3" Killer Praying Mantis Lightheavyweight Champion from Mars"...Rondon was backing up terrified..like a man approaching the guillitine..and Foster destroyed him of course. Foster would have decapitated Roy Jones, and if you think Hopkins was negative vs Calzaghe...well he would have been a virtual no-show against Bob Foster...on and on down the list...Foster would have one lightheavy champ after another, with the exception of a mere handful..and Loughran was one of the exceptions..and only a few other "purist" boxer types with chins would have been able to beat "The Praying Mantis" that was Foster.

 

You reckon Tommy takes out guys like Charles, Spinks or Moore r-cob?

Or should I wait till later in tourney for that answer.

 

I think he has a shot at all three..however Charles may have been the exception here.

 

dont see either fighter hurting the other enough to gain an advantage through power i think it may well come down to who can gain an advantage with the jab. note voting yet as not sure and want find more out about loughran as know a lot more about foster

 

We know that Baer told Dempsey over breakfast the next morning that Loughran's jabbing haunted his sleep that night. Afterwards, Tommy tipped Max off that he was telegraphing his punches, directly resulting in this outcome being very arguably the final pre-prime performance of Baer's career. As dedicated as Max was until Campbell, he was less likely to win the title (or even earning a title shot) telegraphing like Loughran told him he had been.

Bob had faster hands, and much better skills than Baer, but he was not a small, mobile and elusive target, or particularly durable when facing world class heavyweights. As free swinging as Baer was, I'm not convinced the spindly Foster could have kept out of trouble for long. Even if he did manage to somehow avoid Max's artillery to the head, what would happen when Baer went to his body?

I debated this myself, but went along with it because of Braddock's youth and own credibility as a decent puncher, as well as the fact that this was Tommy's final peak performance at 175. Jimmy later had some good moments with Louis, but got completely dominated by Loughran on film. (Braddock did have better mobility than Foster, though I'm aware of very few who would argue Jimmy was in Bob's league aside from having superior toughness, an advantage of no great benefit against Tommy.)

Which is what's making this a compelling thread.

There's no disputing Tommy's intelligence (or utter fearlessness), but I have some serious questions about how Bob tried to deal with Frazier. (The only time I see him move laterally with speed and grace is when he's briefly celebrating his stoppage of Rondon.) Obviously, he could punch sharply with either hand, actually managing to draw blood on Ali, but Muhammad was simply steamrolling him, not practicing evasion so much as punching him out.

Foster's lagging footwork would mean few opportunities to pull the trigger on Loughran, keeping his big guns largely silent. At least Frazier and Ali gave Bob some chances to try teeing off.

Tommy stood up to heavyweights wearing six ounce gloves, something to think about when contemplating his stoppage defeats to Hamas and Sharkey. Eight ounce gloves would give Loughran an even bigger advantage over Foster, if that's what was used.

My first suggestion to anybody who has yet to watch footage of either peak Loughran or Foster would be to compare their footwork. Bob wouldn't have a stationary target to aim at. Again, I'd like to see more cases made for Foster winning a decision in this situation.

 

Strange i thought i'd picked already.

I'm taking Loughran, i think he's one of the very few with a chance against the head to head monster that is Bob Foster at 175 pounds. Loughran is a bit of a matador and likes an aggressor, and while Foster can move laterally he likes to use his strength and fight more at this weight. Loughran

 

I just watched some footage of Loughran sparring Dempsey and honestly its bueatiful

 

One note on the footage: You're seeing a highlight reel of one, compared to a normal fight of one. That's a horrible comparison. You could make Ali look like a better puncher than Tyson if you showed a highlight reel of him compared to a random full Tyson fight.

 

Unfortunately there's not a whole lot of footage of Loughran but what's there is mostly impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu7KhqxIzy4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkgm5C7Xvfc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeFpJZwwDe4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yKBbavHCz4

The explosive knockout of Loughran by Sharkey shows that Foster does have a very good puncher's chance in this match-up but good points can also be made about the footwork of these two fighters. Loughran could run rings around him but I do wonder how he would be able to deal with that snappy jab of Foster's.