Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

For anyone who thinks a prime Frazier beats a prime Foreman ,I would say HOW? What would his tactics be?
As for Rocky,he was slower than Frazier,both of hand and foot, more prone to cuts,smaller ,lighter ,with a shorter reach and less elusive.

Marciano was great ,but he would be massively out sized here .The only advantage I see Rocky has over Frazier against George , was that he had two handed power ,whilst Frazier did not .But he has to get close to land it ,that's the problem.

 

Foreman smacked Frazier about but that doesn't mean he'd do the same with Marciano.

The problem with Foreman is he didn't fight enough quality fighters of different styles to really make the claim that he's beating anyone with any stylistic similarity to Frazier with the same ease as he did Frazier. I would have liked to have seen him against Bonavena. Maybe Bonavena would have given him fits. We dont know. Even then it would say nothing about how he meshes with Marciano's style exactly, but it would shut some people up.

On the other hand, Marciano never faced anyone like Foreman. But people too often just call it for the bigger, longer-armed fighter. Maybe Marciano would have cope well against Foreman's limited style and slow round-the-houses punches. Just because Frazier walked into them doesn't mean Marciano would. Marciano had defensive techniques and a completely different style to Frazier. He crouched and lean away to the side and ducked underneath a lot, parried and blocked a bit. Frazier moved forward more square on (at least in Kingston he did) and had a bob-and-weave style. Also, we cant gauge Marciano's capacity for taking Foreman's punches. Marciano was only down twice in his career, from hard accurate sharp-shooter power punches, and he was up quick and relatively unhurt. And dont under-estimate the punches that Moore and Walcott landed, they were powerful shots. Foreman is capable of punching harder, but not necessarily capable of landing a harder punch FLUSH, esp. if Marciano gets up and adjusts to it. Frazier got up 6 times but stupidly, arrogantly or unfortunately failed to even attempt an adjustment. And after 3 or 4 rounds Foreman's power often ebbed away to average.

I'm not saying Marciano beats Foreman, but Foreman seems to get credited with being "the killer of all swarmers (any vaguely aggressive sub-6ft heavyweight) for all-time and eternity" based on the fact that he beat Joe Frazier (who was slipping anyway).

 

excellent post :good

 

I just dont see Rocky in this fight, to win he would have to wear George down imo, and by then he will have shipped some serious punishment,maybe it would boil down to George's stamina against Rocky's facial tissue .Foreman had not only terrific power but a heavy jab, I think the likelyhood is that he takes Marciano's power a lot better than Rocky absorbs his..
Marciano did fight in a crouch, leaning to his right and he was very effective in it ,but he was also slower than Frazier,and considerably lighter.

Frazier came straight back at George ,after being dropped, because that was the only way he knew how to fight.
Even if he had the nous to go to long range he would have been found by Foreman's long sweeping hooks ,and how many punches would Frazier land from distance?
Comparing their capabilities against similar styles,we have some form line with Foreman ,his 2 destructions of Frazier.

We have none for Marciano ,because he never met a huge punching heavyweight who was 6' 3'' 224lbs and in his prime

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George Foreman, because of his style, size and power, would always be a bad match for lil' dudes like Frazier & Marciano who came right at there opponents like a ball of fire...... Frazier and Marciano are not gonna beat a '73 Foreman in a time machine.......... Not gonna happen.......

MR.BILL

 

All time great Harold Johnson was faster than Moore with youth and talent to spare. Though an exceptional boxer/puncher of great substance he was not an overwhelming swarmer in the style of a Marciano or Patterson. Certainly Patterson's freakishly fast hands were bad news but his style was just all wrong for the Mongoose to begin with. Simply stating speed and talent beat Moore is a fallacy.

Moore stops Johnson in 54

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF7wSmNaEW4[/url]

What you are blindly guessing to be a man's "physical prime" is irrelevant. Moore's accomplishments in his advanced years is difficult to ignore in contrast to his less consistent early years. He was simply a greater boxer at 35-40 than he was as a young man and this is impossible to dispute.

Besides, early footage of Moore reveals a minimial difference in athletic ability. As he got older he did however develop much more physical power and stronger defense, this is evident in what is written of him as well as the available footage.


Moore in his prime?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vswGPIsIU&feature=related[/url]

 

The thread starter asked what Marciano could do? Obviously, few are interested in copy/past "FOREMAN MURDERS HIM!" comments.

Considering how physically shot Frazier was it was quite an accomplishment that he lasted 5 and actually won rounds against a man that absolutely murdered him in their first meetnig, not to mention an even more confident and technically sound version of said fighter.

Fraizer didn't land too many good hooks on George, most were poorly aimed and partically blocked by his glove.

 

Bad Comparison. Hopkins is 44 right now. However, the 36 year old hopkins of 2001 who took apart felix trinidad was CERTAINLY in his prime. Same with the Archie Moore 1951-1955 and Walcott 1947-1952

 

Frazier did land 2 left hooks on George without noticable effect.
Which rounds did you give Frazier against Foreman in their second fight?

 

Just to add to the debate:

Foreman ducked Quarry.

 

The only real puncher Foreman faced was a Shot Frazier in fight one and if you want to consider Lyle a real puncher, than Lyle and we know what happened in that fight. I thought Quarry had an excellent chance against the pre-comeback Foreman because Jerry had a good chin and a serious punch and was fast enough for these Slow power punchers. Foreman admitted Quarry was all wrong for him. Now when we think of Marciano we always compare him to Frazier but lets face it Frazier was Shot by the time Foreman got to him and Marciano retired with 4-5 fights left in him....watching the lyle fight I could see how fighters like Rocky and Louis can get on the inside and nulify, it would be a hectic early rds but so were Lyle/Foreman...If Lyle could hurt Foreman so badly, Rocky had a chance to knock him out...Foreman was no slick boxer like Walcott or Charles and did not have the skills of Moore...Foreman was big but other than Frazier he did not destroy the smaller men 6"Levi Forte went 10 with him and he was often KO'd and Qwwi RSC but 5"7 Dwight gave him a good fight and George was in the 220's for that one. also in his comeback 5"11Big Foot Martin went 10 with him so we can not judge by the Frazier fight...Joe was shot and still got UP 6 times

 

If Marciano can stay on the inside and pound away inside the range of Foreman's straight punches, Foreman might eventually get tired.

That is obviously his only chance. However, I envisage this fight will turn into Drago vs Creed, except Rocky wouldn't die but his durability would mean that he would get hurt.

 

Sorry to say this, but if Rock lands, Foreman is hurt.

 

Possible, if Rocky can ever manage to reach Foreman.

 

George Foreman didn't fight many quality fighters on the way up? Yeah but Rocky Marciano did right? Get the hell out of here, the best fighters Marciano fought were over the hill has beens. At least Foreman fought guys like Ali, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Peralta, Boone Kirkman, Chuvalo, Scott Deloux, and John Dennis in his first career.

Comparing what Foreman did to Frazier and saying Marciano would do better proves that you are a idiot or racially biased. Marciano would be considered a cruiserweight by modern standars, Frazier was a 210 pound fighter so he would still be considered a heavyweight. Frazier fought and beat good fighters like Quarry, Chuvalo, Bonavena and Ali. Marciano best wins came against 3 40 year old fighters in Louis, Walcott and Moore.

Marciano would never make it out of the first round with a fighter like Foreman. Infact he would never make it out of the first round with people like Bowe, Lyle, Rudduck, Tua, Lewis, ect ect ect. Stop making these bullshyt Marciano vs threads because it only makes you look like a racist.