chad dawson vs. mikkel kessler , 170 catchweight , who wins ?

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  1. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    Ohhh, so I'm a hater because I dont have his nuts in a grip lock?:rofl

    You clowns kill me with this ****....Until Kessler does better things like I've said... I will always be a critic of his. Deal with it and stop trying to pass judgement on me because I dont look at his as GOD!:good
     
  2. Maden

    Maden Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are as much a hater as I am a nuthugger! That was why the hater part was in " "...
     
  3. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    edison miranda should have an everlast sticker on his forehead and a hook protruding from his crown for easy attachment to the ceiling chain,my paraplegic orangutan could tee off at will on that sack of leather! 'clinton woods' lol
     
  4. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    The article is poorly written and contains much that is utter bollocks. Not exactly a lie though. I see you actually don't remember the actual facts.

    The fight that Kessler pulled out of negotiations for was a non-title fight to be held in Montreal and backed by Showtime.

    Kessler pulled out to force his status as mandatory to Mundine's WBA title.

    Mundine vacated rather than fight his mandatory. A fight for the vacant title was then offered to Miranda to be held in Florida and broadcast by HBO (this involved Mogens Palle pulling some strings with the WBA to move Miranda up their rankings, given that Miranda had beaten no-one of note at SMW). Miranda, by this stage, had begun negotiating for a rematch with Abraham and preferred to stay with the nontitle match against Abraham on Showtime rather than a title shot against Kessler on HBO. Kessler then moved on to Sartison.

    Why would you say I was lying when you clearly don't have a clue as to the actual facts?
     
  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    depends on which champion you mean , the WBA has 2 in many cases (this included) , the other (real) WBA champion retired and he gained it by beating Kessler.
    but why bother keeping up ? it is just another corrupt organization.
    the man was calzaghe and he retired.
    why are you all ignoring the fact that kessler fought almost no one ?
    you know what ? his biggest win is Siaca. seriously.
    the only one who was experienced against reasonable oposition by the time they fought , and didn't do completely bad.
    and Siaca is not a great fighter himself.
    what is the reason for kessler's support ?
    who did he beat ?
    and don't repeat andrade and mundine because it was talked and the facts were mentioned also.
    kessler never fought elite oposition at its peak , and calzaghe also.
    calzaghe did better than kessler , but they are both unproven (against elite level at its peak) fighters who fought against such recursively to a big depth.
    why won't you recognize the facts.
    why repeat the lie that beating mundine and andrade (especially at the time he beat him) counts that much? it doesn't.
     
  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if it's true , can you blame miranda for wanting to settle his unfinished business and avenge his points loss against abraham ? is it wrong ?
    avenging a loss counts much more than winning a garbage title today , especially when it's a title of an organization having potentially 2 titles in each division and prevents unifications.
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    See now that's better. You've got your trolling right back on track, you're focussed and directed and you've avoided anymore embarrasing lapses like forgetting who you're supposed to be trolling and accidently calling the SMW division stacked with talent. Also you managed to use the word 'recursively'. Kudos for that.
     
  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We 'haters' are basing our opinion upon facts and statistics.
    this is where my opinion comes from.
    you are not.
     
  9. Maden

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    Nobody has blamed Miranda for taking the Abraham fight. But the offer to Miranda is somewhat of a clue that Kessler wasn´t scared of fighting Miranda.
     
  10. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Not blaming Miranda at all, it was his choice to make, Pantera2000 posted all the relevant facts at the time iirc, he certainly felt that Miranda felt obligated to the Abraham match that he was already in negotiations for. I'm just stating what happened in response to Rudyard's misrecollections on the matter.

    Ultimately, all fighters make decisions based on where they perceive their interests to lie.
     
  11. Maden

    Maden Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Please show me one post I have written in here that is not based on facts or statistics on regard to Kessler???? I dare you.
     
  12. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    yes because wins over blown up welterweights and howard eastman are integral to ones greatness,or garbage collectors and montell griffin ? americans convince themselves they are superior by fighting on home turf against ones own countrymen yet label others as bums for doing the same thing! heres an idea when stageing a world series invite other nations to participate,now your definition of a great resume is what? kesslers is solid.
     
  13. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    by the way i know rudyard is one of ours but could you take him off our hands please,he'd make a great yank!
     
  14. Slider75

    Slider75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why are you asking the same questions over and over again if you already knows the answer.. when someone replyes the best they can, you cant except it and replace it with a new question that also been asked multiple times!
    You dont like him, fair enough! But this thread is going nowhere if people have to post the same comments over and over again!
     
  15. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the 168 is not stacked with talent for more than a decade.
    since the retirement of collins , eubanks' move to 190 , benn's retirement , toney's and roy's moving up it's talentLESS , TOTALLY.
    i just said that the 160 has and had an even bigger deficit of talent , that's all. so don't twist great man's words.
    i had no lapses. it is just you accustumed to people like yourself that manipulate the facts - sometimes mentioning them and sometimes ignoring /not mentioning them.