Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

In the first match? No, Frazier most certainly did not. Foreman deflected the majority of them, he had the left well scouted. One may have got through early but it wasn't a very good loaded punch from Frazier at all. Frazier wasn't exactly a one punch killer anyway, he did his damage in volumes.


Here's the fight...I don't see Foreman walking through solid Frazier lefts, sorry.

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Frazier landed cleaner shots in the rematch but he was countering and not loading up like he normally did...not sure he even had the legs for that anymore at this stage. More arm jabs than lunging power bombs.

Frazier/Foreman II breakdown

Round 1: Foreman
Frazier slipping the aggressive Foreman but doesn't get much going offensively himself.

Round 2: Frazier
Foreman aggressive but missing in bunches and now getting countered.

Round 3: Foreman
A seemingly fatigued Frazier stops moving and gets in trouble.

Round 4: Frazier
Foreman slowing down and still missing, Frazier gets some decent jabs in.

Roundi 5: Foreman
Both tired, sloppy, and brawling toe to toe..not ideal scenario for Frazier.

Yes, Foreman won but the point remains...had Frazier fought like this when he still had his legs and stamina, I think we would see a much more compettive fight on our hands. Even with his sharper punching, Foreman was frustrated by Frazier's bob and weave. Despite being drained by the Ali wars, Joe gave a great effort and he earned my benefit of the doubt.

 

Yea, Frazier dropped quick after Ali 1...and he was not the same fighter for sure...Joe was one of the shortest primes I have seen...a swarmer usually has a short prime ( hard to stay so well conditioned) but Frazier fell out of his prime quick...The Ali 1 fight made him a household name and the girls, the booze and other singing with Joe Frazier and the Knockouts and other types of partying contibuted to a short prime...a prime Frazier, fit and prepared would have made it tougher for George

 

Nothing except get chopped to pieces. Rock would stand no chance against foreman for 2 reasons: He'd be physically overmatched and he could only fight one way. His physical limitations would force him to have to come to foreman and that would be suicide. I couldn't see him lasting more than 3 rounds.

 

Nonsense about Frazier being shot after his '71 epic with Ali...... Styles make fights....... Joe Frazier was still winning and beating guys to a pulp all the way up until the end...... Frazier always gave Ali fits in the ring, but Foreman just had the right style and number to hammer Frazier fairly easy..

I thought Frazier looked fine in '74 against Jerry Quarry and in 1975 against Jimmy Ellis in Australia..... Frazier was his old self there because he was pitted against good guys who he could always beat.......

Joe Frazier had a good NINE months to recover from his loss to Ali in Manila by the time he rematched Foreman in June of '76 up New York....... Joe Frazier was healthy in 1976 despite this bull**** about blood pressure and eye problems..... Blood pressure can be controlled through medication and excercise...... Fraizer being a fighter excercised and had a doctor who prescribed him meds to lower his pressure...... Eye / Vision problems are tuff on a fighter since he cannot wear glasses in the ring during a fight........ Still, Fraizer was in good health at age 32 in 1976, though he was a snag too heavy to fight at 224 pounds......... The 224 was meant to be.......... Frazier wanted to be bigger when he fought the naturally bigger Foreman in New York....... That was a flawed decision to have made......... Frazier would've had more speed and gas if he were back around 215 like he had been fighting at........ Still, against Foreman it prolly wouldn't have mattered anyway.........

MR.BILL

 

I agree that he wasn't shot after the first Ali fight. According to Futch Frazier barely trained for Foreman in their first match and overlooked him. His own mistake.

But after Manila...both Ali and Frazier left everything in the ring. Neither had much left though Ali pressed on in rapidly declining performances.

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Futch said while Frazier was training for Foreman II he would spend long sessions just resting on the ropes, and could forsee he was a spent force.


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Probably not, no. Rocky and Joe would have an uphill battle all the way.

 

My god, i have read some nonsense on these boards but you really take the biscuit with that quote.

It's all very well people saying Marciano could get close and land one on Georges chin.
Just what is big George gonna be doing to Rocky as he attempts to bore his way in?.
Marciano is going to be shoved off and hit like he never knew possible so all that bollocks about taking Foreman out in the later rounds is pure wishful thinking

Stop bringing up meaningless fights when Foreman was past prime to suit your agenda people, we are talking the 1973 wrecking machine, not the out of shape Qawi one.


Prime Foreman decimates Rocky, end of.

 

Well i thought Beatle won best quote but you have pipped him there.

''IF'' George has a chance?...WTF.
Seriously, if this fight was made today with both in their primes, what do you think the oddsmakers would be giving?

Nonsense.

Some people really have to let go of the romantic history and use common sense instead when choosing outcomes of fantasy fights.

 

I think so ,unless he can stay out of trouble for 6 rounds .

 

George Foreman did a lot more than beat Joe Frazier when they fought, he also created an orthodoxy that no come forward pressure fighter could ever beat him.

Would he beat Marciano?

Yes in my opinion he probably would, but I feel that people have perhaps become a bit too inflexible in this orthodoxy.

Marciano was a murderous puncher, probably somewhat stronger than Frazier physically, andhe matched up better against sluggers in my opinion.

So my message to those picking Foreman is that I am on your side, but you need to be more critical in looking at your own position.

 

He also made a very convincing job of it, twice.

This pairing has to be the safest to predict a winner out of any atg's at any weight.

The simple fact of the matter is some people cannot accept that Marciano could possibly lose to anyone,ever.

 

With any prediction that you make in a fantasy fight, it is always worth going back and trying to make a case for the opposite position.

If you can’t do a very good job of it, then your position has stood up to scrutiny.

 

Harold Johnson was a light heavyweight.

What I am "blindly" guessing is only based on the history of the sport.

 

185 Pound powerhouse gets brutalized. Rock wasnt a cagey boxer like Peralta.
Foreman KO3

 

I don't know man. You don't think there is ANY chance of Rock having the same success in hurting Foreman like Lyle did?? In the same type of shoot out??

I do. Call me crazy. And I think Rocky hits harder than Lyle and COULD do the job. Call me crazier. Rocky was an animal