Both Cotto and Pacquiao have never ...

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  1. Jackolythe

    Jackolythe Active Member Full Member

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    –verb (used with object) to surpass in excellence or quality, esp. by a wide margin; be superior: He far outclasses the other runners in the race.

    WTF man, it's not hard to look for definitions on the Internet.
     
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  2. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    I used Mayweather as a point of comparison, nothing wrong with that right? With that said, that's why Manny has Roach. Manny trains hard and leaves all the strategies for Roach to figure out. They won't be stupid enough to try and brawl with Cotto who's going to have about 12 pounds on Pac. I see a similar tactic they used against De La Hoya. They'll figure that Cotto will start gassing if not maybe slow down during the later rounds. I'm predicting a late Pac TKO or decision. I know Cotto deals pretty well with speed, but I don't think he'll ever be ready for Pac's speed. Only way I see Pac getting KO'd is if he gets stupid and thinks Cotto is Hatton.
     
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  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    all those examples of outclassing that you posted would have ended a lot sooner if the winner were just a class above the opponent. if a guy is not good enough to last 12 rds against you then he is truly not in yout class.
     
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  4. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    you got it all wrong ... gimmie a definition from a boxing stand point !!
     
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  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    :good

    I think your assesment of the fight is correct though, theres no doubt to me that cotto will win this fight, to me PERSONALLY... he does almost everything better, with pac only holding two advantages, speed, and maybe one shot power, defense is a toss up.

    But Cottos skills, and ability, not talent, will win him this fight. Closing the gap, timing, distance, ability to fight pac going forwards when needs to or going backwards when needs to, ect, ect....

    Although i still think fights like bazan, torres, judah, mosley, ect, is an example of outclassing his opponents, at least we can agree that i got ONE right lol.


    Now, my definition of outclassing your opponent, is to be so far above your opponent within the ring, in more then ONE aspect, that you prove to be above and beyond their 'class' of fighter.

    Which to me, cotto does time in and time out for the most part, because i think your wrong in your central point, which is that cotto wins because of power, its but one thing in the vast majority of things he winds up doing better then his opponents in winning.

    IMO :good
     
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  6. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Pac has never won a fight going backwards .... and isn't effective going backwards ... Cotto has came close to being somewhat effective fighting backwards but usually can rely on his power and breaking down his opponents physically.
     
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  7. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I think that Cotto will wear Pacquiao down over the course of the fight ... power comes into play but its not the most important factor. The most important fact is that Pac has never truly out smarted an opponent in the ring ... he can't fight going backwards ... and that despite having his moments, Cotto will whether the storm and take the fight down the stretch ... and yes ... Body punching is a key for Cotto.
     
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  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sooo..you have to win a fight going backwards to outclass an opponent now?
     
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  9. Jackolythe

    Jackolythe Active Member Full Member

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    What does that have to do with outclassing someone? If you win in a dominant manner, you just outclassed your opponent.

    Besides, last time I checked Pacquiao knocked down a future ATG going backwards with a right hook. Subsequently won it via 3rd round KO
     
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  10. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When a boxer proves himself to be a level above his opponent. Regardless of style. Its pretty straight forward, out class, showing you are out of the class (above) of your opponent.

    It doesn't mean you have to win lots of rounds through looking slick and not causing any real damage. At least make some attempt at pushing your agenda discreetly.
     
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  11. Guidokz

    Guidokz Classic Psycho Full Member

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    do you mean outrunning?.
     
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  12. fitzgeraldz

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    I didn't say that you have to be slick or not take any damage but the list of fights that I've seen a definite difference in class is posted. And that should give you an indication of what I mean in my definition of "outclass."

    Actually what you posted is somewhat close to my definition of outclassed ... but in my opinion there are more facets to my definition:

    boxing ability
    defense
    ability to throw straight punches
    movement
    boxing IQ
    counter punching
    leading
    ring generalship

    you know what not getting hit does play a part in the class of an opponent ... just because he wins the fight doesn't mean he showed a difference in class ... he could've just had mor guts than the other guy ... stronger ... or faster ...
    physicality plays a small part when it comes to outclassing an opponent.
     
    fitzgeraldz, Sep 16, 2009
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  13. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    i stop reading after this. :-(
     
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  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    :rofl, thats as subtle as he gets.
     
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  15. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Technically, you are wrong!!!
    The Pac-Mab 2 was outclassing by your definition simply because of Mab's refusal to engage. Although, Pacx probably won 12 rounds, which is the very epitome of your definition, he did not overwhelm him.
     
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