Bert Sugar's 100 Greatest Fighters(What Do You Think?)

Napoles and Griffith are right on par with Williams, Hagler, and co., and far, far above the likes of Foreman. What is it about Foreman that has you rating him so highly in a P4P sense? He'd make my top 100, but honestly not too much higher.

 

More like, he would win a string of huge fights in a row in impressive fashion before finally conceding one to only the best fighters in the game, whom he'd also beaten on either previous or subsequent occasions. You're telling me you detract from his career for losing to the likes of Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Billy Petrolle, etc? All fighters he also beat? The only fighter he ever lost to that he didn't rematch and beat was Lou Brouillard, as he only faced him the once.

We're not discussing Sugar's list in this argument, but rather your disagreements. Everyone is in agreeance that Sugar's list sucks. I also don't think it's a given that either fighter is absolutely greater than McLarnin, whose resume blows either fighter's away.

Also, your earlier point about his lack of a title reign doesn't really make much sense, especially when you consider that the same applies for Sam Langford and Ezzard Charles, both fighters you claim Sugar rated too low. Both seemed a lot more inconsistent than McLarnin as well if you look at the numbers.

 

Miller was one of the biggest and most feared punchers of the era. A fighter who, once again, McLarnin bested in their rematch. The Snell loss can pretty much be coughed up to "**** happens", as he proved on numerous other occasions that he was capable of beating far higher quality fighters. He was also just 19 at the time of that defeat, I believe. If you're going to hold that loss against him, how about Armstrong's losses to guys like Al Greenfield, Charles's losses to guys like Donnie Fleeman, Langford's losses to multiple bums, etc. etc. You can point out a minor inconsistency on any fighter's record. It doesn't detract from what they accomplished, especially if their hiccups were so few and far between as McLarnin's. Almost all of his lossses came to the very best, fighters he also beat.