Castillo also caught lots of flack...

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  1. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Castillo got a lot of **** for coming in as a Jr. Welterweight in a Lightweight fight. Both Mayweather/Marquez weights are in the WELTERWEIGHT LIMIT. Hoya weighed in 145 and Pac 142, it was still in the welterweight limit. The only problem is Mayweather's failure to make the catchweight he was supposed to.

    Castillo's case is totally different.
     
  2. punchdynamo

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    Did you even read the report from the NSAC? The circumstances are just absolutely foul. You'd have to lack any integrity to think it's completely fine.
     
  3. LONGROB

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    Margarito isn't an ATG, and he's not the face of boxing in America. Great fighters are, and should be held to a higher standard.
     
  4. vonBanditos

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    I have not. What does it say?
     
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    I'm waiting for your answer on Winky Wright.
     
  6. LONGROB

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    I don't think that it matters that Floyd made the Welterweight limit and Castillo did not make the weight for his division. What matters is that neither man made the weight that they were contracted to weigh. Very unprofessional.
     
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    K0NPHL1C7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wait wait wait.

    Floyd made weight, he was actually 1 pound under. There was mereley a clause in the contract wich allowed JMM to make a little extra cash in exchange for Floyd picking 147.

    If anything it was GBP trying to BRIBE Floyd into going as far as 144.

    Castillo though. He didn't even make is contracted weight.
     
  9. Scar

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    What do you mean it doesn't matter?, yes it does matter, the two situations are totally different, TOTALLY.

    Castillo was fined and suspended, not making the weight limit you're supposed to gets you suspended and fined. That's when the boxing commission gets involved.

    This case the commission recognizes this fight as a welterweight fight and the catchweight is what fighters do down under in an agreement, the boxing commission doesn't give a damn if they make it as long as they're in the welterweight limit. Marquez weighed as a welter and so did Mayweather.

    Though I 100% agree about it being unprofessional, if you can't make the catchweight why make a deal?, that I can't defend even if I tried.
     
  10. punchdynamo

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    "Merely a clause". I don't think you understand. When Floyd's camp figured out that they weren't planning to make 144, they forced GBP and JMM into a difficult decision 1) Renegotiate the contract, we won't make 144, you get a little extra money in return or 2) Let the fight fall through, waste months of training and miss out on millions. It's been stated many times on here by other posters.

    If not, then why all the fiasco with the missed contract deadlines (twice), mystery and last minute changes.

    It's well played by Floyd. Still completely unethical and and a disappointment however you cut it. Even Scar would say as much.
     
  11. vonBanditos

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    Thanks. I learned something!

    I will agree and say that Team Mayweather's conduct was unprofessional, but they clearly anticipated the possibility with the penalty language in the contract and regarding it as a welterweight fight. Judging by that article the primary reason they pissed around with changing the contract last minute was because they didn't want to forfeit additional money to the NSAC. Had everything been done by the book and he still weighed 146 he just would have lost more money. Unprofessional, yes, but the level of outrage doesn't seem in proportion to me.
     
  12. punchdynamo

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    The meat of the article is here:

    "According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.


    However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it."



    So I don't think JMM's camp knew about the weight issue until Wednesday night. If it was in the contract since when it was signed in May, why would any overtures have to be made from Team Mayweather at all? Why would there any effort have to be made to convince Marquez to agree?
     
  13. vonBanditos

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    The bottom of the article indicates that he would owe an additional million dollars if the contract wasn't changed. My reading is that Marquez is being given even more money, though certainly less than a million, so that Mayweather doesn't have to lose a million.
     
  14. K0NPHL1C7

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    I disagree.
    "The fight was contracted as a welterweight fight with an agreed upon weight of 144 pounds. However, there were pre-negotiated weight penalties built in."

    What this says to me is that they agreed to fight at 147 (a more comfortable weight for Floyd)
    GBP agreed, but would prefer the fight at 144, and they came up with an clause stating Floyd would “try” to make 144, but not be obligated to. Essentially, paying Floyd an extra 900K if he made the 144, and if he could not giving Marquez 300K for every pound he could shed.

    It was an agreement they had WELL in advance (May) – and EVERYONE was OK with it (except the Floyd haters obviously) There is nothing “unethical”, hell Floyd could have forced the fight at 147 had he REALLY wanted to.
     
  15. punchdynamo

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    It's a face saving maneuver for Team Mayweather who obviously knew, or even planned to cut the weight. He had Thursday and Friday to cut the weight, but was drinking soda and munching on Twizllers on 24/7 instead. Go figure. Otherwise, there would have been no need to talk to GBP Wed. night.

    I can't think of any other fight where there was this much controversy regarding contracts nights before the fight. And it's going to set a bad precedent for future fights. Let's forget about catch-weights and have fighters sign different contracts with different weight stipulations. If you can afford it, it's all good. Horrible and a slap in the face to fight fans.