McCallum vs. Monzon

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  1. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How much of a chance does Mike have of slipping King Carlos' jab and countering with success? Would he fare better or worse than Valdez?
     
  2. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Monzon scores a UD over Mike. McCallum was a good fighter but not in the league of Monzon.
     
  3. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    McCallum would have beaten Monzon by decision. He was one of the greats of the ring and had all of the tools neccessary to handle monzon. Great all around fighter who did everything well, and was a master of mixing up his attack. The fighters that troubled him were the fast hit and run type of fighters and monzon didn't fit that category.

    One of the most impressive skills in mcCallums arsenal was his double and triple hooks to the body. With monzon being a tall and lanky fighter he would have been a target for this. Mike had very good hand speed and would have connnected often. McCallum, though perhaps not as strong as monzon, was better than anyone that monzon faced, and monzon faced some great fighters.
     
  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McCallum would certainly hold his own, and win some rounds... but in the end Monzon was just better, esp at 160... and would win a decision.
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    In a cautious, at times, chessmatch, Monzon would ultimately dominate with superior ring smarts mixed with rough tactics and as always, his eerily effective defense, while also being able to hurt Mike with right hand counters, especially in the late rounds, 11 thru 15..Monzon would surprise by being a "bodysnatcher" himself in this bout. McCallum was good and crafty and would have lasted the distance, but would have been punished and would look like the loser in the end. Monzon W15 McCallum. 10 to 5 in rounds, Mike was not in Monzon's class.
     
  6. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I actually see round after round of a very competitive fight...In the end though I just dont see McCallum having the tools to distinguish himself from Monzon..Coupled with the fact I see Carlos turning it on in a few rounds to have the only "big" rounds of the fight.

    UD for Monzon...but I really do see possibly one or two judges scoring it pretty close in the end because I see both guys being able to match the other for long periods as both were consistent operators.
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Carlos Monzon was the obvious example I used in another thread, the one "bring back 15 rounds"..for referencing the masterful use of using the 15 round distance as a part of executing a strategy..of taking an opponent out into deep waters and then drowing him. He would have "closed the deal" with McCallum in the last three rounds...finishing much stronger than Mike. Monzon was a superior ring strategist to McCallum, and this as much as anything else, would have cemented Monzon's points victory.
     
  8. abraq

    abraq Active Member Full Member

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    Mike would make it a competitive affair. But in the end Monzon would prevail, IMO.
     
  9. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McCallum at 160 would be Monzon's worst nightmare........ McCallum of 1987 / '88 against the '73 Monzon would be great, in a time machine..... McCallum is too cagey and slick for the slower and stiffer Monzon at 160.....
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  10. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The problem for Mike is that Carlos had a fifth gear that he rarely needed to show, but it was there when needed, The problem for Carlos is that if this is over 12 rounds, well, he used to luxuruiate of 15 slowly reeling in the opporsition, over 12 rounds he would have to seek to start quicker, but i have little doubt that he could, it was noticeable against Toney that when McCallum got into a trading war with James he came off worse, and was quick to jump back to the points pinching Mobile Boxing and not seek to get too involved in exchanging of Bombs, I think with Carlos he will have little choice but to stick to the Boxing, Carlos's Heavy armaments are Longer range then Toneys, the Long Jabs and Booming right crosses will keep Mike from coming closer into no mans land to Exchange, Mike is an excellant Boxer, - Better at Lt Middle of Course - and Carlos would not Like 12 Rounds, But that fifth gear is there and waiting, Carlos clearly on points for me, Could be that over 15, If Carlos is fired up, Mike might struggle to hear the final bell ?
     
  11. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Monzon feasted on a lot of smaller guys or short dudes with power but not much speed....... Mike McCallum fought a better crop of "Skilled" dudes who were capable of truly being champs from 154 to 175 pounds.......... YES! I know McCallum tore-up "McCrory & Curry" who were moving up, but them dudes were huge welters......

    The McCallum of the mid to late 80s only suffered ONE LOSS while he was unmotivated, and that was to Sumbu Kalambay..... However, McCallum came back to beat Kalambay in a rematch....... By the time McCallum was fighting Jim Toney in 1991 / '92, McCallum was already aging and slipping a bit........

    McCallum was too savy for Monzon.......... IMO!!

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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    There's no way that McCallum would beat Monzon...that's not badmouthing Mike..it's just that Monzon was a great fighter, and McCallum was a very good fighter.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    McCallum is the better smarter boxer with the better skill set, a great defense who would see him slip and counter Monzon's jab and right hand, while he works his own jab and scores counter shots. I'll have to go with a McCallum hard fought UD. Yes Monzon has a greater legacy, but who from Monzon's resume beats McCallum? No one. McCallum never got his shot at the Fab 5 and fought all the tough small name contenders
     
  14. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    McCaullum was given a boxing lesson by
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    . Monzon was just to good of a fighter for McCaullum.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    That was no boxing lesson but a close fight that McCallum avenged, Kalambay is also faster than Monzon with a better defense so its not quite comparable