Floyd looked sharp, but we all knew JMM would be too small & too slow at that weight

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  1. horst

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    Credit where it's due:

    Ring-rust hasn't affected Floyd. He looked very sharp, very quick, his defence was superb as always, and his punches were crisp and accurate.


    In all fairness:

    What we all suspected was proved to be correct, Juan Manuel Marquez was unable to cope at such a weight. He looked thick around the middle, and the added weight had clearly blunted his speed, hence his inability to throw many fast combinations or utilize good movement.


    Conclusion:

    Marquez was selected as an opponent who had a good reputation but who would make Floyd look good. We all knew that Floyd was taller, heavier, had a longer reach, was younger, fresher, faster - and as usual, his choice of opponent was correct.

    Floyd looked excellent, but this was no signature victory or mind-blowing achievement. In short, it told us nothing we didn't know already (Floyd is great, JMM is not a welterweight). Hopefully Floyd's next fight will be against someone who can perform effectively at a weight higher than 140.

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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I agree with everything you stated.
     
  3. horst

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    Cheers :good

    The most interesting part of the night was the Floyd v Shane confrontation! The fight went exactly as everyone knew it would.
     
  4. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree :good
     
  5. 4Rounder

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  6. joe the great

    joe the great Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kellerman looked really nervous during the Floyd vs Shane and the aftermath of Floyd vs Shane.
     
  7. horst

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    Almost as nervous as Floyd did....
     
  8. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with the analysis, but I disagree with the "hidden message" in this post. Some X factor kept the opponent from being his normal self so this is less about FMJ's ability.

    First of all opponent selection - FMJ was killing two birds with one stone. He needed a tune up. He needed an opponent that squarely placed him in the "P4P conversation". Fortunately, JMM challenged him. Mission accomplished.

    Second, insinuating JMM's performance (speed/combinations) had something to do with the weight - Really? No. FMJ's style just does not use weight as a factor. JMM just did/would not have an answer at ANY weight. Had we all gone back in time and and JMM met a 130lbs FMJ the out come would have been FAR worse. He had the training to get off, he couldn't. JMM is a great fighter, but PBF is on a different level.

    All in all, I think everything said was true. The last point especially so. FMJ is going to have to REALLY reach to make these next fights dangerous. His skill level is so high that hype just does not work any more. We REALLY need to see danger. Mosely, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams, or Manny. Manny's stock went down because after this fight I think he will dominate Manny.
     
  9. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JMM was soft, should have put on some muscle instead of bulking up on donuts, either way, wouldn't have made much difference.
     
  10. DLSC

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    A good and well written post.:good
     
  11. horst

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    I think you have misunderstood my point. I agree that the 130 Floyd of 2001 beats the 130 JMM of 2008, but my point wasn't that weight was an issue in the fight, it was that weight was an issue in the performance of Marquez. The Marquez of last night was not regular Marquez. He was overweight, artificially blown up to a weight he should never have been at. This meant he could not perform as he usually does. Marquez is a fast and aggressive fighter, but carrying all that extra weight (most of it around his stomach) meant he could not move quickly or punch in volume. Had he been fighting a Mayweather-calibre fighter at his own weight, he would still have lost, but it would have been a more competitive and exciting fight because although he would have been outboxed, he could still have been more active and more aggressive than he was physically able to last night. Don't forget, Floyd has been in tough fights before when he fights someone close to his own size. Castillo managed it when he and Floyd were both lightweights, and although he is a different type of fighter to Marquez, I think Marquez could have produced a similar effort had he been at a comfortable weight as Castillo was.

    Seriously?? I don't understand that at all. Manny fought a peak Marquez at Marquez's best weights. Floyd fought a guy jumping 2 weight divisions who he had clear physical advantages over, which Pac did not have.

    If you think Manny's stock fell last night, Floyd's must have ****ing plummeted after the way Pac handled Oscar. But Oscar was weight-drained against Pac, like Marquez was already beaten by weight against Floyd. Ask yourself - would last night's Marquez have been able to cope with Mosley or Cotto?
     
  12. horst

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    JMM did look thick round the belt-line, but I don't think he could've got up to that weight any other way. The guy was never meant to fight above 140lbs, he doesn't have the frame for it. Unless he took 'roids, he couldn't pack on enough muscle to get up to that weight, hence his flabby look and sluggish movements.
     
  13. VX.Nefarious

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    its the truth:thumbsup
     
  14. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    this sums it all. good post! :good
     
  15. VX.Nefarious

    VX.Nefarious Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    actually yes, weight had allot to do, you've have to be a ****in ****** to not notice that, JMM did not have the power he has at 130, the outcome would of been a far better fight if it was at 130, JMM would have more power, it would of been a pretty even fight for Floyd.