Hey, I watched the fight and was wondering this, Alot has been made of the weight issue and the coming up in weight classes, big guy / little guy arguements etc. - Lets try for a second and just not argue these points till it becomes meaningless flames. My question is, personally it wouldnt have mattered how heavy JMM was, he could not land onto PBF, I think this is a height and reach issue and also credit where credit is due alot down to PBF's slick movement, calmness under pressure and ability to constantly find a whole to wriggle out. So basically is the weight the biggest issue here? that everyone is making it or are people overlooking a more important Disadvantage for JMM in the fact that all along he was smaller, or are a Majority of people overlooking a Advantage that PBF had in his basic skills and ability to get out of trouble.?
if you have ever fought more than a few times, even in street fights, you will notice that it is way harder to beat a bigger guy even if it is just a 10lb difference. a smaller guy has much more difficulty throwing with power because any shift in weight by the bigger fighter will cause the smaller fighter to lose balance and lose power. the smaller guy is also throwing punches at a higher angle which brings on fatigue a lot faster. an advantage in reach means the bigger fighter needs less extension on his arm to reach you so an exchange in hooks for example, means your hook will arrive faster and with more follow through than a smaller guy which means more damage. if you wrestle someone 5lbs heavier and someone 5lbs lighter you will see how many more things you can do against the smaller guy. if jmm was bigger, he would better be able to keep floyd off balance by simply leaning on him to keep him from setting up his full power shots and the extra weight will also tire out the smaller fighter in clinches and tie ups. the mere fact the 1 or 2lbs being highly contested in contract negotiations should be a clue to those that have never fought that size is a huge advantage at these levels. it is no coinsidence that most people felt the fight would unfold much the way it did. oscar was not faster than jmm, nor was he more skilled. oscar was just bigger than floyd and his size was the only reason floyd couldnt do to oscar what he did to jmm.
in-fighting is where the real ***** is when it comes to a bigger/stronger opponent. you cant bully the bigger person...well not if they're a fighter...hence "pick on somebody your own size". advantage in reach is not with arm extension, but merely the fact that you can hit his chin before he can hit yours. If you're an expert at timing and judging the distance, ala PBF you can pick a guy apart allllll day long with a reach advantage.
no, it was a combination of both. jmm punches could not get the respect that castillos punches carried because of the natural size difference. its not hard to look unstopable against a much smaller guy so dont read too much into this performance. floyd looked great against a guy he was suppose to look great against.
i disagree, speed determines which punch gets there first. reach determines how much follow through the punch is carrying and its the follow through that causes kos. reach also gives you more range.
no because if hes close enough for you to follow through that much then he is close enough to hit you, therefore you arent using your reach. The less time your fist is in contact with his face, the harder the punch, also, the further the punch is extended, the harder the impact. scientific fact. When you throw a punch, especially a straight one, maximum power is reached at full extension. throw a stiff jab right now, feel that vibration in your fist right at the end of the punch? That's where you want to be hitting his chin.
wrong. floyd enjoys about a 2.5" reach advantage in each arm over jmm. that means that if they traded lead rights, a punch that bends floyd nose would probably break jmm nose if both punched with full extension. you are confusing cause and effect. you go for full extension in order to get a full follow through on your punch because that is the way to fully jar the brain in its fluid shock absorber. you dont follow through to get full extension because hooks and uppers do not extend fully.
hooks and uppers dont extend at all, they loop, as an ex boxer who was known as a power puncher I'm fully aware, reach does not equal power, follow through only applies for hooks and uppers, for that very reason. your hips should move exactly like the punch your throwing, straight for straight punches, twist for hooks, and snap upwards for uppercuts.
you just quoted a "scientific fact" stating that the further you extend the more power your punch carries and then tried to apply the logic to punches that dont rely on extension, by your own admission. extension is just a road taken to achieve good follow through, it is not the goal but the road taken to reach the goal.
no because you're thinking of a cross, the only punch with a "full extension" that you need to follow through on, unlike a straight right and jab, which is the exact difference between a cross and sraight which people tend to get mixed up on. crosses "cross" an opponents chin, whereas a straight extends fully then unloads its power right into the centre of the opponents chin. basically you CANT follow through on a straight because it should be fully extended on impact. any further and you will bem aking a classic mistake called "leaning in". Which is moving your upper body ahead of your lower body to try and connect.
let me be more clear. your first line is faulty because if you enjoy a reach advantage when you trade punches with full extension your punch will carry more power because there is more follow through in your punches due to the added distance of travel. in a trading of punches where full extension is not required, like a hook for example, if the smaller guy hits him on the tip of the chin, the bigger guy will probably land his square on the jaw, advantage big guy. your second line is faulty because follow through demands that your punch travel faster than his head can bounce so that the brain is fully slammed against the wall of the skull. you can extend all you want but if it doesnt make the opponents head travel faster than the fluid can cushion, you are not going to do much damage. your third line is just wrong. the power is about 4 or 5" before full extension. the damage comes from the high rate of speed the head moves at from point of contact to full extension. if you have a 38" reach and my nose is 37" away, you can punch with full extension all you want and you arent going to hurt me unless you shorten the distance to allow for follow through, so power does not really come from full extension.