How to beat Floyd pt. 2

Everything u just said sounds good, buts its w hole different story when ur actually in their up against brillance.

 

i dout this blue print would work, but not only is the blue print difficult to pull off but to follow it and have mindset you need to follow it.and what if mayweather adjust and walks you down.rememeber hes beating guys using his c game, what that a game look like.

 

Here's the true plan to beat PBF:

Bring a gun.

 

The reason Mayweather rarely gets punished to the body, outside of when he is on the ropes, is that he changes his position when the opponent gets into range of a body punch. He leans forward and puts his gloves higher, meaning that to land a body punch you would have to reach excessively to get around his upper body and gloves. That's a long punch to throw and you will eat a counter right straight or left hook before it ever lands.

All of your posts on this subject reference the philly shell but that is far from the only style that Mayweather uses. Sometimes he will fight with his hands very low, sometimes he will walk forward with his cage on, sometimes he will lean back on the ropes with both hands high and invite a flurry...he mixes it up enough that you can't count on a simple strategy like "neutralize the philly shell this way" to win.

People look at the first Castillo fight as a blueprint but that fight was a long time ago and Floyd has changed his game up appreciably since then. He changed it AGAIN in the fight against JMM where we saw the ressurgence of the jab that had been lacking for a long time. More importantly, Mayweather showed in the second Castillo fight that he WILL make you fight the fight he wants. The first Castillo fight was close because Mayweather spent much of the fight in the pocket or on the ropes, taking chances. And it was really only close if you gave Castillo a lot of credit for forcing action and doing a lot of work without much result. Mayweather came back in the second fight and showed that if he felt like it he could turn it into a less exciting fight and win a tactical boxing match pretty easily.

In fact, you can blame the "controversy" over the first Castillo fight for helping to turn Floyd into the more tactical and measured boxer that he is today. If he'd gotten more respect for staying in the pocket with Castillo and STILL outfighting him, instead of a lot of braying about how Castillo worked him over, despite Floyd blocking most of his shots and landing more significantly, he might be more willing to fight that way still.

Lastly, your technical assessment of the limitations of the philly shell are off. The right hand is not the only available punch. Floyd has shown that he can sneak a counter left hook in just as easily as a right straight, and if the other fighter's right hand isn't in exactly the right place he can sneak it around to land. It's also an incredibly solid defensive posture against body punching. Yes, throwing a lot of body punches against Floyd may look good, but has never shown to have any effect because they all end up hitting his elbow or glove. The low left arm can effectively cover almost the entire exposed area of the midsection with only slight adjustments necessary to pick off body punches.

I wish people would stop talking about the Castillo fight as a blueprint. It was a long time ago, Floyd was a different fighter, and Castillo lost. Likewise Dela Hoya didn't lose because he abandoned the jab, Floyd took the jab away from him. Floyd made adjustments and the people he beat did not. Until you put a fighter in there with him who has the physical tools AND the ability to outsmart Floyd and make the same kind of mid fight adjustments he's probably not going to get beaten, excepting, as always, a puncher's chance.

 

its funny how you see all this stuff but no other fighter sees it...everything you mentioned has been tried...sorry but good try..

 

How to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr.

1. Get bitten by a radioactive spider/mutate/somehow become Jor El from Krypton
2. Get Lucky.

Done.

 

But in all seriousness.

The key to beating Floyd is a combination of things.

1. Size.
2. Stamina.
3. Style.

A guy like Joe Calzaghe who overwhelms people due to the volume of punches, angles in which they come from and ability to slip punches while punching is the archetype for beating a Floyd style.

Paul Williams possesses the size and stamina - it's whether or not he's accurate enough to bother Floyd and whether or not he can avoid the shots that will come back

 

Moot point. Floyd will never put himself in the ring with someone who is big enough or capable enough to execute a solid gameplan. He'll fight faded fighters like De La Hoya, limited brawlers like Hatton, or much smaller fighters like Marquez.

 

Dont get carried away, hes not that good. People who think this way have only seen boxing the last 10 years. Watch a lightweight version of Mosley, it was more impressive. Floyds just more controversial and a publicity hog. He beats a Featherweight and now hes that good?

This is not Sal Sanchez beating Gomez. not remotely close

 

here's a thought... Floyd fighting shane or manny.. BOOOM!

 

No comparison to be made. Mosely was and is an offensive minded fighter with fast hands, great power, and suspect defensive ability. He's not even really a boxer puncher as much as a slugger.

Mayweather is a defensive counterpuncher, and a fantastically cagey, elusive and masterful one.

Trying to compare them apples to apples is ****ing ridiculous. Mayweather is a fantastic talent. Whether he will be remembered as the greatest of his generation is up to what he does next but he is unquestionably "that good" in terms of pure talent and boxing skills.