Great performance by Floyd Mayweather Jr. but....

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  1. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    As always another boxing clinic put on by Floyd. FLAWLESS comes to my mind when I watched it.

    But I ask all of you:

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    legitimate welterweight you think last night's version of Juan Manuel Marquez (slow, sluggish, not settled into new weight after jumping 2 weight classes) can beat?
     
  2. SAS2

    SAS2 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no one in the top ten.
     
  3. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Ahhhh, do you mean to say Floyd whooped on someone who had no right to fight in that weightclass? That's very interesting.....
     
  4. mangler

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    JMM had no business at WW. Period.
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    My bet is you put JMM in there with anyone bar Mosley and Cotto and he'd beat them all - including Pacquaio.

    Cotto, it's ac lose fight. I think Cotto would dominate the early rounds solely due to Dinamita starting slow, but I think a combination of his endurance levels being in question as well as Dinamita being able to adapt and pick styles would make it a close fight.

    Mosley? Too many variables that Floyd had, the handspeed, power and ability to box in several styles makes it a bridge too far. But considering Mosley could probably beat most MW's, that's not a huge issue.

    Ask yourself this, instead.

    Who, other than Floyd, could pick apart Marquez so easily and so efficiently at WW?

    Like RJJ said - "I just make em look like nobody"

    Floyd, two year layoff, got injuries right, came back and trained with a vengeance, probably in the best shape of his career at 147lb that night, he looked faster than he has in ages, he was triggering his right lead so well, it was a dominant performance.

    Remember how shot Roy Jones Jr was when Calzaghe beat him up? or how shot Hopkins was? Funny how their next performances against younger guys were so dominant it turned back the clock, isn't it.

    It wasn't that JMM was out of his element at 147. It was that JMM was out of his element against PBF.
     
  6. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bull. Marquez did not look sluggish or slow or bothered by being heavier then usual. No one expected Floyd to be this sharp, even an active Floyd.

    To answer the question, I think he could challenge: Berto, Collazo, Judah, Quintana and Issac. From what I have seen.
     
  7. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    probably judah just because judah would have a sort of a mental breakdown while jmm would just keep on fighting. seriously none. that was not the same jmm who's fighting at 130, not even 135. jmm was clearly bloated at welterweight. he should go back to 135 if he would not retire.
     
  8. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    What you're thinking would be legitimized if Marquez decides to stay as welterweight. We'll see.
     
  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Ask yourself this.

    Had he faced the 130 or 135lb version of Floyd from a few years ago, would he have fared any better?

    He didn't have the style to deal with Floyd, nor the quickness. Floyd was the fastest, by far, fighter that he had seen, which speaks a lot about the debate around Pacquaio's speed vs Floyd's speed.

    The only thing you could say, is that Floyd is now more intune at 147 due to spending two years ad******g to the weight without having to worry about boxing and that is why he is sharper than perhaps he's ever been.

    But I don't see the result being any different at all had they met at 130-135.
     
  10. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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  11. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I think this performance will become more impressive when Marquez fights again. I'd actually like to see Marquez campaign at 140 and perhaps go after Hatton.

    As for how impressive this performance would be against someone else? It's like every fight Floyd has had.

    Judah - "Faster than Floyd, perfect style to beat him" before the fight, "Useless headcase" after the fight

    ODLH - "Too big, too strong and will overpower Floyd" before the fight, "Too old, weight drained and couldn't pull the trigger" after the fight.

    Hatton - "Has the perfect pressure style, will rough up Floyd and knock him out" before the fight, "Too limited, small and slow to be a good win"

    Looking into the future?

    Mosley - after the fight "Too old, weight drained and no where near prime"
    Pacquaio - after the fight "Not a true 147lb fighter!"
    Cotto - after the fight "Already lost to Margarito! Floyd ducked him!"
    Williams - "Too weight drained, he just fought at MW!"

    Premade excuses exist for every fight Floyd could take from here out. All Floyd can do is bang out who gets infront of him and do it impressively.
     
  12. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    No real version of Marquez beats Mayweather. But a healthy Marquez would have been more competetive like say Hatton was with Mayweather (winning a round or two). If you gave all the advantages that Mayweather had on Marquez, like natural size, a reach advantage, his optimum speed, to Marquez then there would have been a chance.
     
  13. Jaaames

    Jaaames Well-Known Member Full Member

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    JMM and PBF are BOXERS.... Size isn't a factor with these guys.. Both are technicians not brawlers... Great performance by Mayweather...
     
  14. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Marquez had what? At least 3-4 months to get himself ready for the fight? No version of Marquez worries Floyd, owing to their styles as much as their physical attributes.

    Floyd is too sharp on defense, too good with counter punching and too able to adapt for Marquez to find a home. Marquez usually goes into the ring being the far superior boxer and in this case, he wasn't - that's why he got schooled, nothing more, nothing less.
     
  15. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Ummm.... when I say size that includes reach, natural strength. Anyone with eyes saw that difference. Even though Floyd is officially an inch taller, he looked like a giant next to Marquez because of body types, longer arms, long legs combined with incredible footwork. Size played a major factor. Floyd threw jabs from a looong ways out.