The Illusion and reality of last Night.

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  1. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who do you say had the better performance vs PBF, DLH or Marquez? clearly DLH. Yet this is the same DLH that Roach trained and its from those sessions that he realized DLH was shot.

    Mayweather makes a Marquez that went life and death with Pac look pedestrian last night. why?

    Marquez is at his best pound for pound at 126-130. The Truest test of skill for Mayweather is against someone like Mosely. then Ultimately the winner of Pac/Cotto However, the true measure of his greatness is in a superfight beyond that.
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Mayweather's performance level was exceptional and the rest seems to have helped freshen him and I'm sure he's had a chance to rest the injuries. Rather than hinder him I think its helped him,

    On the other side of the coin there is no doubt Marquez didn't look as sharp as he can, there is no coincidence that happened weighing well above what he should be.

    I don't think it was too meaningful overall, but it was a very useful work-out for Mayweather and bigger things are to come.
     
  3. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Theres some smoke for sure, its a carefully arranged orchestra of deception and it passes for truth because the man has some serious skills

    Its a time when there are no true greats at WW or Jr WW. Theres no "true" superfight within the horizon. Mosleys too old 5 years ago.

    How I wished JMM never called out for this fight, Pac/JMM 3 could have fulfilled the promise to an extent
     
  4. cubex

    cubex Boxing Addict banned

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    Hey if Mosley or Pac or Cotto fights are next I can live with this Marquez bout.
     
  5. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Last night wasnt about size, it was about skill. Floyd didnt outmuslce JMM he outboxed him. The point your making would be valid if Floyd had just walked JMM down and pounded him, that isnt what happened. A case of what your talking about is I would use Delahoya vs Hopkins as an example...Oscar may have been p4p a better figher then Hopkins at the time, but Hopkins greater size and strenth cause Oscar to weaken and lead to him being knockout in a fight that he was doing very well in to that point of the stoppage. JMM was beat at what he does best, if it was a matter of only weight then JMM would have done alot better at the start of the fight and would have gotten worse as the fight went on, it was bad for JMM from the opening ball, and many felt he didnt even win a round.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That sums everything up very nicely.

    :smoke
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Bull****. It was absolutely about size. JMM had no business fighting at 144--period.

    Even Manny Steward noted in a recent interview:

    Q: The weight limit for the Floyd Mayweather-Juan Manuel Marquez mega-bout is at a catch weight of 144 pounds. Marquez has never fought at this weight before. In fact, he never fought above 135 pounds where he’s only fought twice. Do you think he will be able to properly be able to adjust to the weight and be effective?

    A: I don’t see 144 as a real true weight for Marquez, to be honest with you. I think he’s really 134-35 is where he really matches out, but I’ve had gym workouts where I saw guys who are much smaller surprise the big guy, even quality bigger guys. In this case, Floyd is a bigger guy and he’s a good fighter. The 144 I don’t think will hurt Floyd that much, to be very honest with you. I mean, I’m saying I don’t think it’s going to weaken him. I think going into the fight Floyd will have a natural physical size advantage that, regardless of what they may weigh on the scales, his natural strength in good shape—I think that’s about 147-46 and Marquez is about maybe ten pounds less than that.

    On the flip side, JMM was slow and weak at 144 pounds. So yes, size was a major factor in determining the outcome of this fight.

    :smoke

    On the fl
     
  8. PirateGorilla

    PirateGorilla Active Member Full Member

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    I agree, that was an awesome performance. The way he used his jab, timing, defense, counters, everything was there last night.
     
  9. Maelstrom

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    You actually wanted Floyd to fight Mosley after 2 years away??

    You sure don't think much of Shane.

    Floyd will fight the winner of Cotto/Manny...:deal

    That will be the biggest fight out there.:yep
     
  10. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well first off JMM was 142 seven pounds above his last fight and not the 10 to 12 pounds that people seem to keep quoting today. And I stand by my point, if it was only a matter of size then JMM would have had points in the fight were he would have faired well, but that never happened. It didnt happen because he was not only in the ring with a bigger fighter but a better fighter.
     
  11. Maelstrom

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    JMM is better than Alphonso Gomez..Golden Johnson...and Micheal Jennings.

    At least Floyd didn't dig-up one of those bums.:lol:


    Great small fighter >>>> Big sorry ass bum
     
  12. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nope it wouldnt the biggest fight AFTER the fight was over if it was Pac. I will say it time and time again, the same talks would be happening the day after Floyd vs Pac that we are reading right now. Reason is floyd would fight at welterweight and either Pac would have to fight at the weight and likely use at which point the cring would be in full swing, or floyd would be at the weight and the fight would happen.

    Cotto if he wins will get the same backlash that Floyd is getting now, Pac is too small, it what will be the warcry.
     
  13. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    well with Dela Hoya. The ring was tiny. Floyd doesn't feel comfortable with options taken away.
     
  14. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    It is like WWF. The result is pre-destined. When Floyd weighed in at 146 the fight was over as anything but a spectacle. PBF has worked out a way to make money for taking no risk. He talks about fighting PFP #2 JMM, who I think was very brave, but fails to mention the weight discrepancy. Why doesn't PBF fight Hopkins at 160? There is no difference between Hopkins vs PBF and PBF vs JMM in the number of weight divisions.

    Unless he fights a live fighter, it is the last fight I will watch of PBF, even if I don't have to pay for it. I don't watch WWF or boxing dressed up as WWF.
     
  15. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    Good post, agree totally, PBF has a long way to go to prove he is great, we know he has great skills but he doesnt have a great legacy yet.