Why do fighters like Tommy Morrison, Michael Moorer and Ken Norton

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Chris Warren, Sep 20, 2009.


  1. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    get stuck with the rep of having a bad chin when some fighters who actually do have bad chins like Archie Moore, Joe Louis, or Lennox never seem to get put down for having one quite as often?

    Morrison was knocked out by Lewis, Mercer and Bent, Dropped by a fighter like Ross Purity but got up. On the other hand Joe Louis got knocked out by Schmeling who would be considered a cruiserweight. Hurt badly by Conn who was a super middlweight/ light heavyweight but I bet you most people here if not all will say Louis had a better chin.

    Wladimir Klitchko for the most parts boxes against people who dont fight or has beens. Ross Purrity actually knocked him out but I read a thread about him being a all time great. When Wlad gets hits by any punch he is hurt even if that fighter isnt known for being a big puncher.

    Michael Moorer was only knocked out by Tua, Foreman and Holyfield, Not to shabby. He was dropped by Bert Cooper who was known for being a big puncher but he got up to win. If you are going to knock him for being stopped by Holyfield then bash Tyson too. If you are going to knock him for losing to Tua then knock John Ruiz too.

    Ken Norton was stopped 4 times. 3 by fighters known for being killer punchers and 2 of those times he was past his prime. Norton didnt have the greatest chin but it wasnt that bad either. Norton wasnt a good boxers going backwards so when he faced a big puncher who could force him back he failed. No big deal. Lennox Lewis was iced by lessing punchers with one punch.

    Archie Moore had to been down more than 40 times in his career. He usually got up but he still got dropped numerous times and alot of those times he were down were to average fighters. If you could land a punch on him you could hurt him even if you didnt have monster power. I guess his chin was built up to make various fighters who beat him look like they did something special.

    You know what a bad chin is? Being knocked down by 1 punch by fighters not known for being big punchers. Being knocked out by fighters who werent known for being big punchers like Holyfield and Douglas did to Tyson. Being knocked down by great punchers doesnt mean you have a bad chin you know?

    Anyway can you name some other fighters who get stuck with the bad chin rap even though their chin's werent that bad?
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Archie Moore is a poor example to use to prove your point mate.
     
  3. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    Archie Moore was knocked out in 1 round by a average fighter so why shouldnt he be on this list?
     
  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    If any of those guys mentioned fought as often as Moore did, against the high calibre of opposition he did, at the age he did...they would have a **** load more losses and far more brutal ones aswell.

    Moore was stopped 7 times in over 200 fights...3 of those times against heavyweights when he was nearly my dad's age.

    His chin is far from weak..I think your point is a valid one..but Archie Moore should stay out of it.
     
  5. time lost

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    norton was down in six fights befor he even got in the ring with ali as i recall was down in sixteen fights as a pro......
     
  6. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    Nigel Benn and Julian Jackson spring to mind.
     
  7. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because that "average" fighter had a big punch.
     
  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And what evidence you've presented here actually supports that.
     
  9. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    My 2sense and David Tua, George Foreman and Bert Cooper had big punches but Michael Moorer has a glass chin though right? Explain that for me please.

    Sense Ross Purrity could bang but lets say you dont believe this to be this case then wouldnt that mean Wlad Klitcsko has a even worse chin than Morrison then? I can't invision a blown up super middleweight with no punching power like Conn rocking Morrison but Louis was hurt big time by Conn so logic would state that Louis chin was worse
     
  10. Chris Warren

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    I once read in a thread in this forum or maybe another that Shannon Briggs had a weak chin even though he was only stopped 2 times and I believe both times he was still on is his feet. Both times were due to stamina issues, more than him having a glass chin.
     
  11. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, Sumbu Kalambay was knocked out in the first round, and by one punch, by Michael Nunn who was above-average as a puncher but no great shakes in that department.
    You wouldn't call Kalambay chinny, would you?

    Honestly, there were (are) very few fighters whose chins were truly made of glass. I can't really even think of an example at the moment. Such fighters simply don't make it to world class level. Some had suspect chins, but real chinny guys don't get far in this sport.
     
  12. Chris Warren

    Chris Warren Active Member Full Member

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    Well Fist of Fury tell that to the people of this forum, If Michael Moorer, Ken Norton, and Tommy Morrison had such horrible chins neither would have become champion or had some version of the heavyweight title
     
  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not that simple though. For instance Conn definitely didn't have the same force in his punches as a legitimate heavyweight, but part of the puzzle to effective punching is timing and precision, which he had.
    Sometimes when you can punch accurately and time those punches really well, you don't need tremendous force to stagger a guy.

    For instance, look what Henry Cooper did to Ali, and Cooper by today's standards was only a small cruiserweight.
    I don't think anyone would dare suggest that Cooper hit harder than Liston, Williams, Foreman, Frazier etc, but what he did do was land a peach of a left hook which had Ali out on his stool.
    It's arguable that nobody hurt Ali more, ever.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Joe Louis had 69 fights, and was stopped twice,once pre prime ,and once past prime,both men who beat him were big punchers and both men held the heavyweight title.
     
  15. Jack Dempsey

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    According to the book 'Charley Burley and the Black Murderers Row' the 1 Round loss Moore suffered was a fix