mayweather weight advantage

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  1. quackman33

    quackman33 Member Full Member

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    Last night I was trying to explain to a friend of mine about the about the fight Saturday night. The important side notes I mentioned were the the fact that mayweather weighed in 2 pounds over than what he should of weighed in at. This unfortunately cost him $600,000. What my buddy didn't understand was the fact that 2 pounds does make a difference especially if you're fighting a guy smaller than you to begin with. If this was for a title mayweather would have lost it on the scale and it would be up to Marquez if he wanted to fight him. The same thing happened in Corrales-Castillo 1 and 2. Steward towards the end of the fight kept saying "this is why you have weight classes in boxing" which is totally right. What my friend doesn't understand cause he's not a fight fan is how important weight actually is. Also another is if Mayweather did make weight he might have been a little more drained and a little more slow and it could have been a closer fight. He ate that $600,000 penalty to secure the win which is something not alot of fighters would do.
     
  2. myau1

    myau1 Active Member Full Member

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    I don't feel weight had anything to do with the outcome of this fight. Floyd won this fight because he was to fast and to slick for Marquez. Marquez was outboxed and outclassed Saturday night and that's all it really was. In my opinion Marquez could have come in at the Super Middleweight limit and the outcome would have been the same. Power issues aside, Floyd could have beaten nearly anyone in boxing Saturday night, even those in heavier weight divisions.

    If weight affected anyone it was Marquez. He was slower than he normally is and the moderate power he does have didn't seem to carry up to the heavier weight division but the fact remains, you can't kill what you can't catch.

    Look, though I have a huge amount of respect for Floyd's boxing ability, I'm not really a fan of fighters who consider putting on boxing clinics a victory. I like fighters who go for the kill and who aren't content with a points win but I will say this. Floyd's boxing ability is far above that of Marqez's as well as the majority of boxers in any era. He may take "safe" fights and he may not finish fights as often as he could and should, and many people may believe he avoids fighters whom he feels don't offer him an assured victory but I'll say it again, weight played no part in Floyds win Satuday night.
     
  3. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree. Fraud played JMM
     
  4. Mrtibbs

    Mrtibbs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO Mayweather would have beaten Marquez at any weight and time period (even when Marquez was at his best). It obviously would not have been as easy but put simply pbf is and has always been better than marquez. If marquez came in 2 or even 4lbs over at any weight he would still loose.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Weight had nothing to do with the clinic PBF gave out Saturday night. The difference in the level of skill was appartent from the opening bell. Also it's not like PBF uses his strenght and size to beat people he uses pure skill.:deal
     
  6. Chucky

    Chucky BDJ Full Member

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    Weight has everything to do with it.
     
  7. MURK20

    MURK20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Weight is the only excuse for Mayweathers haters to hold on to. And it is a very weak one.
     
  8. Chucky

    Chucky BDJ Full Member

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    Don't hate him at all, dummy. He's a bigger, more talented guy.

    Age and outside factors notwithstanding, a good big guy always beats a good little guy.
     
  9. MURK20

    MURK20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know where the dummy **** came from ******.
     
  10. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just don't see how logically you can argue that the 2 pounds made any difference. Yes, and I'd think everyone would agree that the move up in weight to take the fight put Marquez at a huge disadvantage. It is well known that Marquez has failed to cash in over the years and I'd bet that this was probably his biggest pay day in his career. With or without the extra 600k.
    So he takes a fight where he knows that he'll probably get his ass handed to him for the pay day. I would to. There was no downside other for Marquez. If he losses so what Mayweather should beat him. If he wins he'll get a few more huge pay days and be considered an all time great.
    He'll still be considered an All time great Lightweight. One of boxing's best fighters of this era.

    So... saying that the 2 pounds prior to the fight matters is nonsense. It was the 7 pound he had to move up from his previous fight, his age, Mayweather speed/quickness and the five inch reach advantage for Mayweather that determined the outcome.
     
  11. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    a. Mayweather won because he is better, and the fact that Marquez is smaller had some influence. A lot of influence had the fact that Marquez had to move up 2 divisions, not the 2 pounds of the weigh in.

    b. JMM is a hall of famer but not an all time great at LW.
     
  12. Mayweather will have weighed a lot more than 146 in the ring, Marquez would probably have weighed little more than 142. A big difference on fight night.

    However, it was Mayweather's speed and skill which won him the fight.
     
  13. Chucky

    Chucky BDJ Full Member

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    I think you answered all my points in your post.

    All I am saying is this is not a natural weight for Marquez, that's all. PBF is a bigger guy. I don't care if at the weigh-in there was only a two pound difference.

    Would Mayweather beat a naturally larger version of Marquez? Yes IMO
     
  14. Chucky

    Chucky BDJ Full Member

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    Agree 100%.
     
  15. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Marquez at any weight wouldnt beat mayweather. I do think in certain situations 2 pounds could effect things but in this fight mayweather was gonna win no matter what. Marquez didnt look good at 135. Why anybody would think he could go up 10 lbs and fight someone with 10x the speed and do any better is beyond me.